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I’d like for Rumple to at least have a somewhat happy ending. It would be unfair if Regina got a happy ending after some of the things she’s done but Rumple didn’t.
I dont think about it like that, as it being unfair.
If it is so that one of them having a happy ending, then the other automaticly should also have that. That really limits the story in a way I dont like. But if the story is best told with Rumple having a happy ending, then Im all for it.
But I must say I dont think the story is best told with his happy ending, like I suggested above.
[adrotate group="5"]to me it just doesnt make sence that he would come out the other end of that as a person able to do good for himself and others
In the realistic world, I think people would agree with you. In A and E’s fantasy world of “hope,” not so much.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"First, can I just say how refreshing it has been to character debate the last couple of weeks, first with Emma and now with Rumple? I know some of us expressed the desire to do so, and the difficulty of it, in other threads, but I think we’re doing a good job! I think we’ve got a little ‘representation’ from various ‘subgroups’ that make up the fandom and though sometimes we’ve had to just agree to disagree, but for the most part I think this little experiment we’ve taken on is showing that we can have respect for and appreciate those with differing opinions. I know there’s a lot for people to be fired up about right now, but I think if we allow ourselves to vent in the appropriate arenas and approach the other threads with open minds and respect, we can have some excellent discussion and debate, and maybe even see our show in different lights.
And second, I love RG’s idea of subjecting Belle to our analysis next!
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Ok, so back to Rumple. I’d read somewhere that Bobby likes the idea of Rumple being bad…I can imagine, how much fun can it be to play the Dark One?! That man has some some serious range, it’s amazing. And that’s what makes me so on the fence when it comes to Rumple.
I think it would be nice to see him eventually get to the place where he can truly release the Dark One…but I hope the struggle goes on for a while because I simply love watching it! I’m hoping they do spend a little time on Rumbelle this season, because I think in order to really accept the marriage, I need to see Belle find out about the death and I need to see where Belle will finally draw the line. I don’t know that you can be truly ‘good,’ like Belle is, and accept so much ‘bad’ that still exists inside Rumple as easily as she seems to have. There comes a point where you have to ask – do these people truly love each other as they are, or who they perceive the person to be? (I think they are TL, of course, but I think it’s time for them to really take a good hard look at themselves and their relationship.)
That’s true but that means (to me) that he’s reducing Belle to a helpless figure. Those things that happened to Belle were terrible but Regina and Hook were still on the warpath against Rumple. The sad fact is, we don’t know what Zelena wanted after she was powerless. Regina offers her a second chance but we’ll never know if she was capable of accepting it.
Rumple tends to be overprotective of those he loves, because he is afraid to lose them. That’s one of his flaws. And at the moment, Belle is the only one he has left, so no wonder if he’s behaving a bit.. paranoid.
Oh for sure it’s a long story. And yes I suppose there is something to be said about couples having secrets from each because knowing everything might be a strain. But this isn’t a wild college party or something–we don’t know how much murder, manipulation, ect Rumple was doing in the past. And he never wanted to tell her about Milah, Hook did that (and Belle barely blinked but maybe we’ll have that for her thread when we get to it). She loves the part of him that belong to the darkness, but she’s more or less in the dark about the level of darkness.
What ever Rumple has done in the past, he obviously isn’t proud of it and is feeling guilty/remorse. Imo that’s all that matters. What’s done can’t be undone..
If he was gloating over his deeds and didn’t show any guilt, then there certainly would be a problem.
Well this I absolutely agree with. I know it’s hard to tell right now, but I used to be one of Rumple’s biggest defenders
I still am but am slowly becoming disillusioned about the writers ever pushing him past his insecurities and his fears. He needs to believe that he can have a happy ending but it might not look like what he thought–Neal and Belle. I had hoped that loosing Neal would make him want to be an even better man–try to really heal and fight for his happy ending because that’s what Neal would want. Loosing your child is going to suck everyday for the rest of your life, but I wanted him to grieve, to rage at the world, to visit the grave, to seek solace in Belle’s arms…but to not murder because THAT’s respecting Nealfire. If it had been only the death of his son, I would agree with you. But what Rumple went through was much worse. First he dies to save his son, to give him a chance at happiness. Then he is brought back against his will, at the expense of his son’s life. That’s perhaps the worst thing that can happen to a parent.. and as if that were not enough, he ends up being a puppet to the murderer of his son, and is mentally abused for several months..
That doesn’t justify Rumple’s actions, but I definitely understand him.
As for Rumple overcoming his fears and insecurities.. obviously it’s going take some time (which I think is just realistic), but I do believe that’s the goal with him, and it will be achieved by the end of the series.
He would then be the tragic character, the fallen angel. The one who tried but didnt make it… Or maybe that kind og story would be too dark and grimm for a Family show, but I would like it
Hence, my name. I find this just depressing. I may or may not be biased, but as a someone who is also struggling with self-esteem issues I really hope Rumple will succeed, as unlikely as it may seem..
Ok, so back to Rumple. I’d read somewhere that Bobby likes the idea of Rumple being bad…I can imagine, how much fun can it be to play the Dark One?! That man has some some serious range, it’s amazing. And that’s what makes me so on the fence when it comes to Rumple.
Yes. Bobby enjoys the darker flavors of Rumple
That doesn’t justify Rumple’s actions, but I definitely understand him. As for Rumple overcoming his fears and insecurities.. obviously it’s going take some time (which I think is just realistic), but I do believe that’s the goal with him, and it will be achieved by the end of the series.
Understand, yes. But I guess I had higher hopes for him. If loosing your son isn’t the biggest wake up call, then I don’t know what is. Rumple has been down this path before; he lost Bae and it took him 300 years to find him. Then he lost Nealfire to the portal (SSTR) and he went on a suicide mission. This time, he feels he has a place to direct his anger, so he turned it on Zelena. I don’t blame him for his anger. He’s a parent. But…like I said, higher hopes. The second he figures out that this is the very last thing Neal would EVER have wanted…*sigh*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’d like for Rumple to at least have a somewhat happy ending. It would be unfair if Regina got a happy ending after some of the things she’s done but Rumple didn’t.
Woah…woah…woah hold the phone!
I know this isn’t a Regina analysis yet, but I’d like to point out that Rumple is the one who created his and I quote: Monster. And not to mention the fact that Rumple has manipulated Snow into killing Regina’s mother, he lied to Belle and killed Zelena(Regina’s only sister and blood family), inadvertently causing the Time Portal that brought along Marian! So Rumple has had his share in taking away Regina’s happiness.
So I think that before Rumbelle are able to saddle together for their happily ever after, the least Rumple can do is first help, and actually counsel Regina through the Robin/Marian mess that he accidently caused! And then Rumple can have his happy ending with Belle.
Not to mention Rumple has over 300 years of darkness that trumps whatever evil Regina may have done.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Not to mention Rumple has over 300 years of darkness that trumps whatever evil Regina may have done.
Not to be nitpicky but the we don’t know what he did for those years. In between loosing Bae and Cora is a big white blank slate. We know that at some point he started making more deals instead of just outright killing. In “Lacey” Belle says that no one knows you don’t cross the Dark One, implying that Rumple’s not as evil and coldblooded as he’s like you to think. He does things in those years, to be sure, but it hasn’t been fleshed out at all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’d like for Rumple to at least have a somewhat happy ending. It would be unfair if Regina got a happy ending after some of the things she’s done but Rumple didn’t.
Woah…woah…woah hold the phone!
I know this isn’t a Regina analysis yet, but I’d like to point out that Rumple is the one who created his and I quote: Monster. And not to mention the fact that Rumple has manipulated Snow into killing Regina’s mother, he lied to Belle and killed Zelena(Regina’s only sister and blood family), inadvertently causing the Time Portal that brought along Marian! So Rumple has had his share in taking away Regina’s happiness.
So I think that before Rumbelle are able to saddle together for their happily ever after, the least Rumple can do is first help, and actually counsel Regina through the Robin/Marian mess that he accidently caused! And then Rumple can have his happy ending with Belle.
Not to mention Rumple has over 300 years of darkness that trumps whatever evil Regina may have done.
I’m not saying Regina shouldn’t get a happy ending, just that if she gets one then Rumple should too and vice versa.
Zelena was only Regina’s sister in name only via shared DNA. Family is about more than blood and Zelena wasn’t very sisterly towards Regina.
Rumple may have helped guide Regina on her path to evil but she made her own decisions. Rumple didn’t decide to send children into the blind witch’s house, Regina did. Rumple’s interactions with Regina only occurred when he could gain something out of it.
Regina’s hatred of Snow began to fester after CORA killed Daniel. Regina was wishing she’s let a young Snow “die on that horse” and imagined choking her before meeting Rumple. Rumple didn’t create the hate in Regina.
The only thing Rumple was guilty of in regards to Regina is giving her false hope via Jefferson that Daniel could be brought back to life. Daniel was holding her back so Rumple removed that obstacle. Regina going all “evil queen” was of her own volition.
The “poor little Regina” act is not a direction I’d like to see the show take. I loved Regina in 3A but 3B Regina has been too Mary-Sue and Creator’s pet for my liking. I liked when she threatened to kill Zelena by ripping out her heart because, although Regina is on the side of good now, she is not Snow White 2 and therefore her hypocritical “heroes don’t kill” speech and her deciding to give Zelena a second chance were just OOC for me.
Zelena’s fate shouldn’t have been solely up to Regina. As for the Marian situation, Regina shouldn’t have to be “counselled” by Rumple, just because the woman she had executed turned up and turned out to be Robin’s wife. Regina should just suck it up and deal with the fact that, although she might not get to play lovey-dovey with Robin any more, she now has one less person’s blood on her hands.
Rumple was the one who had really suffered at Zelena’s hands, so the “poor Regina” spiel has no effect on me. Regina threatened to kill Zelena as well, Rumple just got in there first. And if Regina decided to seek revenge on Rumple for Zelena’s death, then that would make her even more of a hypocrite since she’d feel she had the right to seek revenge, when equally, Rumple had the right to seek revenge against Zelena.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAh, causality. Is Rumple actually responsible for everyone’s problems and actions? Is everyone else devoid of agency, only subjected to the wishes and desires of our favorite Imp?
Fate, free will, causality and agency—pretty big themes that run throughout ONCE. And Rumple always seems to be at the center of it.
🙂 Discuss.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Understand, yes. But I guess I had higher hopes for him. If loosing your son isn’t the biggest wake up call, then I don’t know what is. Rumple has been down this path before; he lost Bae and it took him 300 years to find him. Then he lost Nealfire to the portal (SSTR) and he went on a suicide mission. This time, he feels he has a place to direct his anger, so he turned it on Zelena. I don’t blame him for his anger. He’s a parent. But…like I said, higher hopes. The second he figures out that this is the very last thing Neal would EVER have wanted…*sigh*
To be honest, at first I had higher hopes too. But the more I saw the torture Rumple went through, the lower my expectations were. Not only did he lose his child, but he also was emotionally abused. So I wasn’t surprised when he lashed out. Yes, I’m disappointed, but I understand him. It wasn’t only about Bae.
Rumple claimed that he promised Neal to avenge his death. I’m curious about this. I checked the transcript of 3×15 (I can’t watch that scene without tears), and he didn’t promise anything to his dying son. In 3×18, Rumple implied that he promised Neal to stop zelena. It’s after Rumple gets back his lost memory that he starts to actually seek revenge, if I’m not missing something.. Okay, he didn’t remember why and how Neal died until the curse was broken. However, I was wondering if Rumple and Neal found a way to communicate/talk with each other in FTL (I’d hope so.. they still had so much to talk about!). I’m not saying that Neal actually asked him to kill Zelena (not that I would blame him), just that Rumple may have misinterpreted something.
Not to be nitpicky but the we don’t know what he did for those years. In between loosing Bae and Cora is a big white blank slate. We know that at some point he started making more deals instead of just outright killing. In “Lacey” Belle says that no one knows you don’t cross the Dark One, implying that Rumple’s not as evil and coldblooded as he’s like you to think. He does things in those years, to be sure, but it hasn’t been fleshed out at all.
I got the vibe from “Lacey” that Rumple’s reputation was a bit exaggerated in FTL, probably by Rumple himself, to keep people away from the DC.
It seems to me that Rumple is known mainly for his ruthless deals and manipulation, rather than actual killing. So I think what he did between losing Bae and Cora was making deals and collecting power/magical objects. And a lot of spinning and sulking! 😀
If he had killed and tortured recklessly during those years, I think he would be much darker and harder.. one thing I love about Rumple is that even after 300 years of being the Dark One, and after all those heartbreaks, he is still capable of love. TRUE love, even. I think it’s really impressive. Rumple is stronger and more courageous than he thinks. If only he would believe in himself..
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