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I’m going to take a bit more of a moderate stance on this one…
Ultimately, I don’t think ANYONE on OUAT is more or less evil or good than anyone else. I think the point is, each and every one of the characters has the ability to be as good or as bad as they so choose. I think it’s important to remember that each character has free will (for the most part, excluding the whole Rumple was Zelena’s slave part) and for the most part, has chosen how to act and react to the life they’ve been dealt. Example – if it were Charming who was called into the Ogre Wars – would he have listened to some crazy gal with her eyes on her hands and purposely injure himself; essentially kicking off Rumple’s storyline and decent? No, he probably wouldn’t. That doesn’t make Charming good and Rumple bad, it’s just that each person would have made their own decision in that matter. If Snow and Regina’s fates were reversed, would Snow have become the Evil Queen? I don’t think she would, no matter how much Rumple tried to get her to give in to her darker side. But, Snow was capable of letting Cora die, and chose to essentially kill Cora.
Yes, their pasts all play a part in it. Snow and Regina are both different, partly because of how they grew up, and same with Rumple, etc. But you can’t be a slave to your past. You can’t blame everything on other people, because ultimately, you are responsible for your own choices. So, I don’t think you can sit down and compare Person A to Person B and say A is more evil. Because they all have the potential for good and they all have the potential for evil.
We all know hope, true love, home are huge themes on OUAT. But I think the concept of choice is also a big focus, though played out less blatantly. Playing the Blame Game is now you get into serious trouble with this show – and I think the writers do that on purpose, go get the viewers to sit and give pause…of course, I think they sometimes underestimate some of their viewers’ passion for the show and their own personal favorites…. 😉
[adrotate group="5"]Here is a question for ya: if Regina’s choices are determined by outer influences, such as Rumple… Then this must also mean Rumple’s choices are determined by outer influences.. what are those then?
Rumple is a also a product of circumstance but he also made his own choices. Milah, war, poverty, Malcolm…they all made Rumple the man he is…but so did Rumple himself.
I agree with everything RumplesGirl said….our villains are villains because of how life treated them like (beep)…but I blame Malcolm above all else for how Rumple and history turned out. Amazing how one screwed up parent can alter the life of not only their child, but anyone who encounters their child…. Screw Malcolm.
But got dangit….Rumple can make the most adorable facial expressions! 😛
Here is a question for ya: if Regina’s choices are determined by outer influences, such as Rumple… Then this must also mean Rumple’s choices are determined by outer influences.. what are those then?
Do you know how peeved off I’ll be at the Charmings if they kept Rumple out of Henry’s life simply because Neal was dead….like to the max! That’s why I’m thankful the whole Ava/Cora thing came out, and showed them that they shouldn’t be as self righteous as they were in season 2. As long as Henry has Stilskin Blood in him, Rumple has grandfather rights to him. Just as if Cora was still alive, she’d have grandparents right to Henry because of his Mills Lineage.
#GiveRumpleHisRights….
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Do you know how peeved off I’ll be at the Charmings if they kept Rumple out of Henry’s life simply because Neal was dead….like to the max! That’s why I’m thankful the whole Ava/Cora thing came out, and showed them that they shouldn’t be as self righteous as they were in season 2. As long as Henry has Stilskin Blood in him, Rumple has grandfather rights to him. Just as if Cora was still alive, she’d have grandparents right to Henry because of his Mills Lineage.
I don’t think the Charmings will. But I think the writers will try to put considerable distance between Rumple and Henry.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Do you know how peeved off I’ll be at the Charmings if they kept Rumple out of Henry’s life simply because Neal was dead….like to the max! That’s why I’m thankful the whole Ava/Cora thing came out, and showed them that they shouldn’t be as self righteous as they were in season 2. As long as Henry has Stilskin Blood in him, Rumple has grandfather rights to him. Just as if Cora was still alive, she’d have grandparents right to Henry because of his Mills Lineage.
I don’t think the Charmings will. But I think the writers will try to put considerable distance between Rumple and Henry.
I’ll go even farther and say the writers forget that Henry is even Rumple’s grandson. They will have no heart-to-heart conversations or even acknowledgements this coming season.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
I would love a scene where Rumple gives Henry something that belonged to Nealfire because “your father wanted you to have this”. Or Henry asking Rumple about Neal..
Oh, and Belle is now officially Henry’s step-grandmother 😀 I want some “Granny Belle” scenes too!
I would love a scene where Rumple gives Henry something that belonged to Nealfire because “your father wanted you to have this”. Or Henry asking Rumple about Neal.. Oh, and Belle is now officially Henry’s step-grandmother
I want some “Granny Belle” scenes too! Agreed. I want a scene of Grandma-Belle with Henry in the library. Belle and Rumple are his grandparents as much as Snow and Charming are. They should get to spend time with him too.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I would love a scene where Rumple gives Henry something that belonged to Nealfire because “your father wanted you to have this”. Or Henry asking Rumple about Neal.. Oh, and Belle is now officially Henry’s step-grandmother
I want some “Granny Belle” scenes too!Agreed. I want a scene of Grandma-Belle with Henry in the library. Belle and Rumple are his grandparents as much as Snow and Charming are. They should get to spend time with him too.
I dont ussually post things outside my home thread, but about this issue of Rumple/Henry i will posted. I agree with @Jo on this, the writers will try the GA to forget the Rumple and Henry connection.
@RG that would be great, for henry to bond with Rumple and Belle, but like i said before, i dont think we will see them interract, they shared a scene on 321/322 and acted like they didnt knew each other. Because right now the only Neal on henry life will be is uncle, lets not forget that for the show Neal was just a beloved son, not father, so with him not being henry father, that means that Henry doesnt have connection with rumple and belle, also dont think they will have any time to be together with all this rush in bringing Elsa that has some problem with Rumple.
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I actually have the opposite opinion when it comes to Henry and Rumple. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rumple take a more active role in Henry’s life. They are each other’s strongest connection to Neal. I can see Belle really emcouraging Rumple to do so. The problem is the mess Rumple made with the dagger and killomg Zelena…and if anything that might get in the way of family bonding depending on how they handle it.
They have barely interacted so far because they barely know each other. And that pesky Rumple was going to kill Henry thing…so it might take some time but I definitely can see the relationship moving forward
They have barely interacted so far because they barely know each other. And that pesky Rumple was going to kill Henry thing…so it might take some time but I definitely can see the relationship moving forward
And I disagree 🙂
They were interacting quite a bit before the family revelation. One of my favorite parts of Manhattan was Henry and Rumple just sitting and talking, not knowing they were bound by blood. Rumple and even calls Henry a special little boy. And before all that, Henry knew Mr. Gold and Mr. Gold knew Henry.
And yes, the pesky detail of Rumple trying to kill Henry doesn’t help but it’s also not anything that anyone (outside of Neal who is dead) knows.
I like your optimism that their relationship will move forward I just don’t think the writers are interested in Henry having a connection to his father/father’s family anymore.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Admittedly, yes, if any relationship/character development is going to fall to the wayside, I agree it will likely be Rumple/Henry’s. Which is very unfortunate. I think Rumple would thrive as a grandfather, and it would help keep him on the right path…but the writers have set up a LOT for Rumple to deal with so it would be hard to fit in the happy Rumple/Henry bonding. But I don’t think it’s the writers intent to purposely keep them apart/forget the fact that they’re related and share Neal as their common bond. It’s more they’ve got more on their plate they can address. You know, like usual with A&E! I would like to see Rumple become more instrumental in Henry’s upbringing though. They’ve really got the whole ‘it takes a village to raise a kid’ thing going, and Rumple is an important part of said village.
It’ll be interesting in general to see where they go with Rumple’s arc and the others’ arc. For once I have no idea where they’re headed going into the next season/half season. Other than they’re obviously milking the Frozen thing and they’ll have to address the killing Zelena thing…!
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