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@Beauty & the Beast wrote:
Bring the convo from the Belle thread to this thread. đ
Midnight Dreary suggested that Rumpelstiltskin gave the Evil Queen the wrong ingredients for the curse. I think she may actually be right. Rumpel said that in order to enact the curse, you must sacrifice the heart of the person you love most. Well, if that’s the case, how Rumpel even know that? Everyone Rumpel ever loved was either dead or missing by the time he began working on the curse. His son was gone, his first wife was gone, Belle was gone. How would he know that the curse required the heart of the person you love most when he himself didn’t have the key ingredient? I think Rumpel gave the Evil Queen the wrong ingredients to accomplish two things:
1. He honestly didn’t want to give Regina the real curse and the only way to both satisfy her demands and save himself at the same time was to give her the wrong ingredients. So, Regina did in fact cast a curse, however, I believe it was a different curse or the “wrong” curse. If this is true, then no mater what Regina does in Storybrooke, Mr. Gold will always have the upper hand because he’s the only one knows that Regina cast the wrong curse.
2. I also believe that Rumpel gave the Evil Queen the wrong ingredients out of petty revenge. Even though Rumpel believed that it was Belle’s father that caused her eventaul suicide, I could easily see Rumpel placing blame on the Evil Queen as well. In his eyes, if it wasn’t for the Evil Queen’s intervention and manipulation of Belle, then the tragedy would have never happened. Belle would have returned home, she would have never kissed him, and Rumpel would have never accused her of working with the Evil Queen. I know, it sounds loaded and petty, but the death of a loved causes a person to blame everyone who was involved. And unfortunately for Regina, that includes her.
So, as punishment, Rumpel lies and tells the Evil Queen that the heart of the person you love most is needed for the curse, when in fact, the main ingredient was probably true love. So, Rumpel gets to keep his curse, defeat Regina and ruthlessly punish her by forcing her to sacrifice her own father all at the same time.
Man this guy is scary. đŻ
Wow! Great points, Beauty and the Beast.
That’s why I tend to place all my bets on Mr. Gold. Even though, the introduction of Belle could possibly make Mr. Gold’s position more unstable.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m still skeptical about Mr. Gold’s chances against Regina. As much as he tries to hide it, Mr. Gold still has feelings and emotions, and Regina is going to use them to her fullest advantage. And to make matters even worse, there are rumors that Rumpel's son Bae may be returning to Storybrooke in “The Return.” So that means there will be 2 people Regina can use against Mr. Gold.
Well, B&B, I think you may have hit on something … I think he just gave her the recipe for the curse. She had to find and collect her own ingredients. I think Rumple just isn’t evil and nasty enough to enact the Curse to End All Curses. He is creative enough to imagine it, but he’s just not that bad to the core. There is some light in him–that’s why I like him so much. đ Like you say, B&B, all the people he truly loved were gone by that time anyway, and he did a good job of keeping anyone else from getting close to him, or his heart. How truly twisted to require the heart of the thing you love most in order to manifest this curse! It’s one thing if you lose those loved ones by natural means, or even unnatural means, but quite another to chose to take their life for the sake of a curse–a sacrifice–for the sake of revenge. Unthinkable for most of us. No–even when Rumple became the Dark One, he didn’t really understand what he was getting into. He wanted to save his kid, and all the kids from the ravages of the Ogre Wars. He wanted to be a good father, and he wound up losing the thing he loved most–his son. He didn’t realize what being the Dark One involved until it was too late. In that respect, he didn’t have a choice–and he made the best of it when he realized his predicament. Made quite a career out of it, too.
People come to him because they are desperate. He provides the means for them to make a change, but sometimes that means their undoing. Regina made a choice (to kill her father for the sake of revenge) and “it left hole in her heart that can never be replaced.” I don’t think she can recover … I was so pleased to see Katherine decide to start over, to make her own happiness in life, to find the love of her life–in Boston. I would have thought Regina might have learned something from that example, that she could start over, too, but no — Regina kills her off instead.
Anyway, I do think Rumple had some additional things going in the curse, that he probably didn’t bother Regina with … Like how to break it after 28 years. Safeguards for himself and the rest of Fairytale Land inhabitants.
Why did he write the curse in the first place? I think he knew what it would take to enact it, and he wasn’t willing to go that far. Rumple wasn’t that desperate. But he knew Regina was. If not Regina, then someone else. Then again, they have been long-time rivals. I think he might miss her if she were not there–a worthy foe? Or just a nasty nuisance? At times, I see him as the great puppet master pulling the strings of all these other characters (He does have those mummified puppets, doesn’t he?) Maybe he was tired of magic and wanted to live an “ordinary life” as an “ordinary man” so he could live a life out with Belle. I guess we have to wait for him to tell us in the season finale …
@Beauty & the Beast wrote:
I’m still skeptical about Mr. Gold’s chances against Regina. As much as he tries to hide it, Mr. Gold still has feelings and emotions, and Regina is going to use them to her fullest advantage. And to make matters even worse, there are rumors that Rumpel's son Bae may be returning to Storybrooke in “The Return.” So that means there will be 2 people Regina can use against Mr. Gold.
His emotions can be his strength, too. I’m not saying Rumple /Gold doesn’t have some things to learn. Clearly, he needs to manage his anger better, and open his heart to love, trust people, among other things … Hey, he’s been through a lot in his centuries of living! But these are all possible. I see him being reflective, and thoughtful, and capable of learning new things. He can recover. I am so looking forward to seeing his character grow! He can have it all –love, happiness, joy, comfort, company along with that good life he’s got as Storybrooke’s 1%. Now if they can just break Belle out of the dungeon!
I just don’t see Rumpel as ever being the character with love, joy, happiness, comfort or any of those things. It just seems so out of character and what would that mean for the show. I don’t think they are ever going to want the character to be that.
I think Mr. Gold will have his happy ending towards the end of the series. The whole idea of breaking the curse is so that everyone can have their happy endings. But season 1 is way too soon.
@hjbau wrote:
I just don’t see Rumpel as ever being the character with love, joy, happiness, comfort or any of those things. It just seems so out of character and what would that mean for the show. I don’t think they are ever going to want the character to be that.
Well, that would be the happy ending which is 6 years from now? It’s the journey in getting there to that happy ending. I guess we’d all rather see the tortured souls every week on the way there …
Ok, so after the viewing the promo for episode 1×19 “the Return,” I am beyond convinced that August is Rumpel's son. All of the Pinnoccio clues are probably red herrings.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
Ok, so after the viewing the promo for episode 1×19 “the Return,” I am beyond convinced that August is Rumpel's son. All of the Pinnoccio clues are probably red herrings.
I agree. I was so sure that August would turn out to be Pinnoccio, but the promo threw me for a loop. I could totally see Bae wanting to kill his father for becoming the Dark One. My main concern is what will happen if he actually succeeds. If August succeeds in killing Mr. Gold, then he’ll become the new Dark One. I wonder if he’s aware of that?
Naya Naya, so many questions which I have chased around in my head. I shall start with the ones that are listed.
1. What was Rumplestilskin’s reasoning for creating the Dark Curse? / 2. When was the Dark Curse created?/ 4. Why is Mr. Gold desperately seeking Emma Swan’s allegiance and friendship? / 8. How does Belle factor into the curse?
So many ideas, I love them, I love them. The image which my mind has put the pieces of the puzzle into goes something like thus: The nature of the curse seems to be that it is to make everyone forget (with the exception of a few) and perhaps that was its entire purpose. (And he wasnât quite expecting to remember, following that idea however, he would likely have remembered everything all along.) Rumplestilskin created the curse to forget about Belle, himself, everything. Which is of course why he remembered, just like the mad hatter, the reason that he didnât forget was because it would give him a happy ending and the curse was meant to keep that from happening. He could have taken the potion like he gave to Snow, however it would not let him forget the touch of the curse, it would make him look weak in front of the queen, and I am not convinced that the potion was meant to make the person forget. It worked, but it very well could have been a side effect, since it had some other effects as well, like making her rather hateful and fully willing to kill the queen. While at the same time ensuring that all of the pieces were lined up to allow Snow and Charming to get back together as well as to give Rumplestilskin the final pieces of his ingredients (true love) Now just imagine had Rumplestilskin taken it and had that nice little addition to his personality. So instead he worked in a different way, which would also mean that he wouldnât have the same shadow hanging above him. If no one remembered who they were, they wouldnât remember who he was, or what he could do.
When he gave it to the queen would have likely been some time either shortly before or shortly after he was thrown into his prison. It seemed to hint that she had possession of it for a while before giving it to her friend to keep hold of. All the while Rumplestilskin was sliding farther off of his rocker in his cage, either that or biding his time and making people uncomfortable.
When the curse was activated however, he kept his memories. He was free of his prison, however he now had a human body, a limp which as Rumplestilskin (The Dark Lord) he did not have, and still all of the grief from losing his first wife, then his son, and then Belle. Also, I just have to wonder, does he have the same level of magic? Does he have any magic at all? (Just finished âThe Stable Boyâ so still debating on what to make of the end). If anyone could point out anywhere where he has used magic IRL, please get hold of me. Thus, with all of those fun little pieces of straw, he is befriending Emma in order to break the curse. In his mind Belle is lost forever, however, he can have his power back and now he is no longer in his cage.(Although I have to admit, if it turns out that he did it âjust to get out of his cageâ I am going to laugh)
7. When will Rumplestilskin be reunited with Belle?
I have no doubt that at some point they will be reunited. It will be some time though, and I can see Regina revealing her, without giving her to Gold, so that she is sure she has him on a lease. That is the one time that I will feel sorry for Regina. The moment Gold learns that Belle is alive, not matter how he learns, he will think of Regina telling him that she was dead and odds are, he will know that it was Regina who had her locked away. Yes, the one time I feel sorry for Regina, if Goldâs anger was ever felt before it will pale in comparison.
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