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I like the biblical undertones too, though they can go to far sometimes (Emma and The Last Supper for one).
I agree that The Dark One mythology needs more work than almost anything else and tying TDO into the fairies somehow would make me happy. Maybe they really should go back to the dawn of time and make Merlin the very first person (in this magical land at least). He escapes into this magical realm through a door or a magical pool in a wood or something and ends up in an enchanted and unpeopled realm. In that realm he finds the grail and drinks from it, becoming magical. He’s lonely so he begins bringing in other humans from our world to the magical realm. He thought this realm was unpeopled, but in fact fairies live there, and somehow the coming of the humans upsets the balance causing a fairy (either Blue or Black) to go dark and desire non-fairylike things. Then at some point Merlin meets Nimue who eventually drinks from the grail, becomes magical like Merlin and commits an act of murder which is forbidden in light magic and thus she corrupts her own magic and becomes the first Dark One. I still like that the dagger and Excalibur are two halves of the same blade, even though I think what they did with it sucked.
Basically both the story of the first Dark One and the origin of The Black Fairy needed to be set in ancient times and …heck they just needed to be epic and as written they just weren’t.
…you know I’m really enjoying this. It scratches some of those annoying itches Once has handed out over the years.
[adrotate group="5"]Spinner Rumple – He meets Milah, who is probably running from something or in some kind of a bind because it’s hard for me to imagine she married for love and human Rumple never had money. Or did he? Maybe the spinsters (fairies in disguise of course) gave him money, which attracted Milah, but then Rumple lost the money in some foolish or kind-hearted manner. Anyway they marry, they have Baelfire, Milah leaves, Rumple becomes The Dark One, Baelfire gets dropped down the beanhole… all pretty much as it was on the show.
I always thought that maybe she was pregnant and needed to get married fast to someone who was somewhat stable and reliable so she does a whirlwind courtship with Rumple marries him without telling him she was pregnant and then looses the child. Now she is stuck with someone but figures that he is stable and reliable with a somewhat good future ahead of him. They have a happy life for a few months until he is called to war and she becomes pregnant with his child and the rest stays the same.
Rumple finds Baelfire much like he does on the show and Baelfire is shot by Tamara and Neverland happens and Gold dies to save everyone (though I still think we need a better explanation as to why he thought he had to die with Pan, I mean it was beautiful, but reasons?). Rumple is brought back and here’s where it all kind of spins out… do I want Baelfire to die here and then be brought back by Zeus later after everyone goes to Hell to save him (a plot that might actually make more sense then the reason those chose to use) they could even trade Zelena’s life to Hades for Baelfire (since Hades seemed to like her) or do I want something else to happen? What if there was a way that say Belle found that would allow Bae and Rumple to separate and live and would somehow cost Zelena her life?
I would have had Rumple’s main motivation for helping Emma go to the underworld be that he has thoughts of rescuing Bae. I think this was his thought but we really did not get to see it played out because heaven forbid we should worry about the Neal/Emma/Hook triangle. That is what ruined everything. I could care less that Emma ended up with Hook what I care about is that in the process Rumple and Henry never got to explore their relationship with Bae. The story would have been so much more intense with Bae alive.
his is tricky because I love Rumple, I love (Disney movie) Belle and I absolutely adore Skin Deep, but most of the Rumbelle story in Storybrooke is so messed up! I wanted them to be together and stick up for each other and not lie to each other all the time. But the show could never quite get it right and while I’ve tried to put my finger on why, I’m still a bit baffled. The main problem seems to be that Rumple is still keeping himself apart from the rest of ‘the family’ and doing bad things (well he is The Dark One). Writing wise I think the reason Rumple did so much villain stuff after season 3 is that the writers needed someone from the main cast to be a consistent villain they could use to interact/team up with any arc villain they might toss in and they’d already put a lot of eggs in the basket of adding Regina and Hook (who really had no teeth as a villain against all those magic users anyway) to team hero. Storyline wise I guess it could all make sense if you remember that The Dark One is an entity in it’s own right and it might be all Rumplestiltskin the man can do to keep it from killing everyone. Or you could use Rumple’s addiction to magic after two hundred years of non-stop use. But basically I don’t know how to fix Rumbelle after season 3.
I think the main problem from season 4 on is that they don’t EXPLAIN why Rumple is doing the things he is doing. They gloss over it and never explore his psyche. I mean he has just lost his son and was imprisoned completely powerless for a year. He is going to back slide from this. In his mind he is thinking that I sacrificed myself for the good of the town (Belle and Bae) and what happens my son dies and I am imprisoned and powerless. After this he is going to go after power and try to cleave himself from the dagger. I mean if he is not connected to the dagger no one could ever control him again and therefore in his mind he can protect the one’s that he loves (Belle). Because at heart Rumple believes that when he is powerless he looses the ones that he loves, that is why he wants power. And of course he is not going to tell Belle because he knows she will not approve of him killing Hook to do it. We should have seen all of this and his doubts and fears that went along with the plan. We should have seen how he is worried that he will loose Belle if she finds out what he is doing. We should of seen some conflict between Rumple and Belle where Belle is asking Rumple to let her in and he is pushing her away because he still does not trust that she will not leave and that she does love him. Unfortunately what we got is Rumple “Me Need Power” and Belle asleep. They could have easily played this out a different way but chose not to.
Season 4B we should have seen Rumple draw lines in the sand with the Queens of Darkness which we were hinted at but did not get to directly see. We needed him to protect Henry and make sure Regina did not get hurt.
Season 5A we had Belle waffling back and forth which I understand but at the same time Belle has everything she ever wanted Rumple to be a good, decent, honest, man without the curse and she rejects him. He is in a vulnerable state right now with trying to deal with the fact that he no longer has all this power and he has the one person he loves rejecting him and Hook taunting him. We should have seen some of this conflict within him, some of the doubts that he felt, some of the now she sees me for who I really am the man behind the beast and does not want me. It would have made his taking the dark one powers back more understandable.
Season 5B was actually a fairly good season for Rumbelle especially her Handsome Hero which felt like the old Rumple and Belle working together, fighting, debating about good and evil, but trying to see each others point of view or at least trying to work with each other despite their different point of views. Then we have Belle being OOC and going to Zelena (the person who killed Rumple’s son!!!) and asking for advice???? I can see why she put herself in a sleeping curse because Belle like Rumple when panicky is impulsive.
How we explain 6A is beyond me. They were both HORRIBLE!!! The only thing I can say is that I think Rumbelle works best when they are there to support each other and instead in 6A you have both Belle and Rumple both panicking and therefore doing impulsive and damaging things to each other. Instead of Rumple supporting Belle about her doubts and fears of her pregnancy he panics and tries to overprotect. And instead of Belle being supportive of the doubts and fears of Rumple that his second son is going to Hate him you have her panicking and lashing out at him which in turns makes him be even more overprotective. It is a vicious cycle which was completely unhealthy. As for Rumple and EQ I am pretending it did not happen because it really never should have. It was one of the most stupidest things OUAT has ever done right up there with Zelena and Robin pregnancy. It made no sense and was completely idiotic.
6B would have been better if we saw more of Belle. They made a lot of headway in 6B with Rumple and Belle working together, being strong for each other, and supporting each other, but after all the damage of 6A we really needed to see more of this. More of them talking about everything that has happened and trying to understand each other. More time. Instead we got episodes that did not matter like Aladdin and Hook on a journey to nowhere and just yelling about nothing.
I am glad they ended up together and really glad that they improvised the last scene and made it their own. After all the Rumbelle fandom was put through the last few years and hearing over and over and over again that “Rumple is a difficult man to love” without no explanation as to why he was doing the things he was doing it was nice that they had the finale moment and that they made that moment special for us fans.
I am glad they ended up together and really glad that they improvised the last scene and made it their own. After all the Rumbelle fandom was put through the last few years and hearing over and over and over again that “Rumple is a difficult man to love” without no explanation as to why he was doing the things he was doing it was nice that they had the finale moment and that they made that moment special for us fans.
But was it earned? That’s my biggest complaint. I do like that Bobby and Em improvised the scene because it speaks to how much those two love their characters and each other as actors, but as for the final sentiment on Rumbelle, I don’t know that the happily ever after was earned. The common complaint for any ship or character is that no one talks about their problems. They get handwaved away and forgotten week to week until the writers need to infuse some drama into the lives of their toys again.
Belle was so limited through all of 6B in terms of scene time and story that I have no idea why she took back Rumple to live as a family except that the writers wanted to give the shippers something to swoon over so that they wouldn’t have to deal with the fallout on Twitter.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But was it earned?
COMPLETELY UNEARNED!!!! This is my main problem also. That is probably what I am most upset about, the writers took all the time to completely destroy Rumbelle in 6A and then did not give them the time to fix it in 6B. We did not get a big discussion, we did not get a big Rumbelle moment of Rumple ultimately choosing love over power (giving up his dark one powers). Instead we get Belle who sprangs her ankle and Rumple choosing to do the right thing without her knowledge. No talks, no discussions, no big moments just hand waves and fixes it all. Am I glad they at least gave us this, sure and Robert and Emilie as always killed it with their chemistry but all Rumbelle fans should be disappointed in Season 6 and how they have handled Rumbelle from season 4 on. I guess this is what fanfic is for and thank the lord that Rumbelle has some really great writers out there.
Instead we get Belle who sprangs her ankle
One of the most annoying things in the whole finale. The girl runs around in sky high heels for 5 yrs and here at the climax of her final season, she twists her ankle and is all “oh no. I can’t go on…”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I like the biblical undertones too, though they can go to far sometimes (Emma and The Last Supper for one). I agree that The Dark One mythology needs more work than almost anything else and tying TDO into the fairies somehow would make me happy. Maybe they really should go back to the dawn of time and make Merlin the very first person (in this magical land at least). He escapes into this magical realm through a door or a magical pool in a wood or something and ends up in an enchanted and unpeopled realm. In that realm he finds the grail and drinks from it, becoming magical. He’s lonely so he begins bringing in other humans from our world to the magical realm. He thought this realm was unpeopled, but in fact fairies live there, and somehow the coming of the humans upsets the balance causing a fairy (either Blue or Black) to go dark and desire non-fairylike things. Then at some point Merlin meets Nimue who eventually drinks from the grail, becomes magical like Merlin and commits an act of murder which is forbidden in light magic and thus she corrupts her own magic and becomes the first Dark One. I still like that the dagger and Excalibur are two halves of the same blade, even though I think what they did with it sucked. Basically both the story of the first Dark One and the origin of The Black Fairy needed to be set in ancient times and …heck they just needed to be epic and as written they just weren’t. …you know I’m really enjoying this. It scratches some of those annoying itches Once has handed out over the years.
Yeah, for me there would be no Camelot arc. There would never be half season arcs. That just creates middles full of filler. I like the idea of Merlin being the first human in the Enchanted Forest, which i actually think he was. I think when they drank from the grail it created the Enchanted Forest, but there would be no Camelot or any of that.
The dark one arc would actually be about the dark one. I think Emma being the dark one was an interesting way of going about it, but Hook would not be part of it. Neal would still be there and it would be about how Neal knew what it was like to have a father as the dark one and now Henry’s mother is the dark one. That Belle knew what it was like to have a love interest as the dark one and Neal’s love interest is now the dark one. Emma would have said all the things she has ever said about the parents that abandoned her to Snow and Charming. Emma would state all of the mistrust she initially felt towards Regina at her. It would be about Emma talking to actual Rumpel about being the dark one and what he has lost from that and how his desire for power has messed up his life. It would not be Emma talking to a fake Rumpel in her head.
Oh yeah, i forgot. Rumpel would no longer be the dark one, so we would see him interacting with Neal, Belle, and Henry as not the dark one and they would be talking about all that.
The dark one mythology, for me, is easily the biggest like plot point mistake that was made. Even outside of the problem of Hook being part of it at all when he should not have been. The mythology was just so anti climactic and i don’t think it fit with what we knew. I think that the dark one mythology, surrounding the first murder and the creation of the dagger would be where you first introduce the idea of like their being two old fairies that something happened between, maybe introduce the light fairy who the Blue fairy is trying to suggest is the dark fairy, but what happened between them and their part in the creation of the Enchanted Forest and their part in the first murder that would all come out in the next season. This is long game plot.
Also, the characters would never be separated from each other in different realms. I think if it would be me at the end of Season 2, Storybrooke would have become connected to the Enchanted Forest somehow. Like if you walk into the woods to the south of town you would end up in the Enchanted Forest. Maybe even have a thick place of evergreen trees with a lamp post or something like that. The difficulty with traveling between realms would no longer exist, but Storybrooke would still exist.
There is a lot because so much was not well written, in my opinion.
The dark one arc would actually be about the dark one. I think Emma being the dark one was an interesting way of going about it, but Hook would not be part of it. Neal would still be there and it would be about how Neal knew what it was like to have a father as the dark one and now Henry’s mother is the dark one. That Belle knew what it was like to have a love interest as the dark one and Neal’s love interest is now the dark one. Emma would have said all the things she has ever said about the parents that abandoned her to Snow and Charming. Emma would state all of the mistrust she initially felt towards Regina at her. It would be about Emma talking to actual Rumpel about being the dark one and what he has lost from that and how his desire for power has messed up his life. It would not be Emma talking to a fake Rumpel in her head. Oh yeah, i forgot. Rumpel would no longer be the dark one, so we would see him interacting with Neal, Belle, and Henry as not the dark one and they would be talking about all that. The dark one mythology, for me, is easily the biggest like plot point mistake that was made.
Season 5 started out so strong. I agree, they really botched the dark one mythology. It could have been so cool, so incredible. Should have left Hook out of it. Should have actually made Emma evil. Loved introducing Merlin. I even liked Arthur being an antagonist. When he forced that guy to kill himself in the storybrooke jail cell….my goodness. It had so much potential. And they ruined most of it. The storybrooke part of season 5A was so bad especially. Like Emma keeping the sword in her basement. Not being able to pull it…and Merida training Rumple to be a hero to pull it……it was disgustingly awful.
Yeah, it was bad. Writers shouldn’t do stuff like that. It was so bad. There is just so much you can do in a situation where Emma, the Good Guy, is now infected with the shows dark power. The first being actually make that really effect her besides the minor things she did comparatively to what an average villain on Ouat has done. Emma should have killed someone. Also, have that arc actually focus completely on the dark one power and what it has meant for Rumpel, the main character who has been the dark one for centuries.
The Camelot stuff was a mistake, in my opinion, because then the show thought it had to give screen time to Arthur and Guinevere and the knights and Lancelot, but they don’t. They shouldn’t have. Arthur showing up for a couple episodes, even Lancelot showing up again since he was in the past, makes sense, but none of those characters should have arcs.
Think about Cora. We meet her and we see different episodes from her past like when she abused Regina and murdered Daniel, when she was the Queen of Hearts, when she meets Rumpel and gives birth to Regina, when Regina hires Hook to murder her, but they didn’t take just one of those situations like when Cora met Regina’s father and got married to him and what happened with her and Rumpel and then make a whole half season arc and give all those characters backstories because not every character needs that kind of backstory.
Like they could have introduced Merlin as the character that lasts the arc and had an episode here and there were we show his backstory and see some of the Camelot characters without trying to give those characters their own multi episode arc. It isn’t even about liking or disliking those scenes for me. I don’t think the Camelot scenes were bad and i liked Arthur as a character and i like Lancelot, but i just don’t think we needed any of that.
Especially in light of what was lost which was real depth with Rumpel and a complex and interesting dark one backstory, with Emma being actually evil, with Emma being cruel to her family as the dark one, and with Rumpel, now not the dark one, being open about his mistakes with Emma, Neal, and Belle.
I think for me the arc would be Merlin is the reocurring character. Emma is actually the dark one. Emma is cruel to her family, but doesn’t harm them, but is a real danger to everyone else. The arc is everyone is trying to figure out a way for Emma to not be the dark one. The backstory is the dagger was part of the first murder. Merlin’s sons. Maybe Merlin walks in on it shoves the murderer son away and he gets stabbed by the dagger as well which is some other tool at this time. Then they could have the grail take part in the story where Merlin has his son drink from the grail to try and save his life and since he murdered his brother it turns him into the first dark one instead.
They could then somehow use the grail in the present day scenes to save Emma. Maybe Emma murders Merlin when she realizes he knows about this because he has some information on how to destroy the dark one power. Something like the power can only be gotten rid of if the person who takes it on is not a murderer and they drink from the cup, but Emma then murderers Merlin so she can’t give up the power. Then Rumpel takes the power back onto himself to get it out of Emma because Rumpel has been able to control himself, within reason, even though he is the dark one for while now. Maybe Rumpel stabs Emma with the dagger taking the power back, but she drinks from the cup so she lives, but because Rumpel has been the dark one before it somehow makes the power strengthened and they can’t pull it from him again.
There would be more to it then that, but this would be about the actual characters and actually be about Rumpel who was the dark one and Emma would actually do something really evil.
Season 5 started out so strong. I agree, they really botched the dark one mythology. It could have been so cool, so incredible. Should have left Hook out of it. Should have actually made Emma evil. Loved introducing Merlin. I even liked Arthur being an antagonist. When he forced that guy to kill himself in the storybrooke jail cell….my goodness. It had so much potential. And they ruined most of it. The storybrooke part of season 5A was so bad especially. Like Emma keeping the sword in her basement. Not being able to pull it…and Merida training Rumple to be a hero to pull it……it was disgustingly awful.
Agree!
Yeah, it was bad. Writers shouldn’t do stuff like that. It was so bad. There is just so much you can do in a situation where Emma, the Good Guy, is now infected with the shows dark power. The first being actually make that really effect her besides the minor things she did comparatively to what an average villain on Ouat has done. Emma should have killed someone. Also, have that arc actually focus completely on the dark one power and what it has meant for Rumpel, the main character who has been the dark one for centuries.
This! We should have been able to explore the Dark One Curse and how it affects individuals. We should have come out of it with Emma having some understanding of what Rumple went through and the “heroes” understanding the struggles that Belle went through. Instead you got Emma not being all that dark, not doing anything, and writer promises that never came true along with the “heroes” basically saying if Rumple dies Oh Well. There was absolutely no insight at all! No character development at all, it was just all stupid nonsensical plot.
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