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November 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm #312539RumplesGirlKeymaster
Mulan and Ruby are off on an adventure! Are they “together” (yanno, together together). Was anyone else wholly disappointed in the presentation of an LGBT relationship because…there was none? Did I miss something?
What do you make of their budding friendship at least?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 15, 2015 at 10:15 pm #312546TheWatcherParticipantWas anyone else wholly disappointed in the presentation of an LGBT relationship because…there was none? Did I miss something?
HOW could they even pass this off as an LGBT relationship?? I swear I was expecting a kiss, a personal, intimate moment between them. SOMETHING! All I saw was three girls doing hardcore stuff. I see no LGBT relationship.
A&E: We are going to include an LGBT relationship.
ME:
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICNovember 15, 2015 at 10:22 pm #312552BelleOfTheBallParticipantI don’t read a ton of spoilers… was it guaranteed to be in this episode or is it something we can maybe see soon? Not that I think they will continue showing Ruby and Mulan. That was probably a one time deal…
November 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm #312558irish_mikeParticipantI was upset that the writers seem to be proclaiming in interviews “Hey! We’re gonna be doing an LGBT story!”, and yet they can’t even have Mulan say she, instead of doing the vague pronoun BS to dance around it. It’s kind of offense, but I’m curious as to how much control they have with ABC (Who apparently is also preventing LGBT dancing on DWTS).
November 15, 2015 at 10:28 pm #312560RumplesGirlKeymasterThe chest-thumping Adam and Eddy were doing earlier this year about exploring an LGBT relationship is laughable since, in the end, Mulan and Ruby are less romantic interests and more budding friends who decide to go hunt werewolves together. There was no hint of a relationship between the warrior and wolf. There were no long looks, no hand holding and certainly no kissing. In fact, if you hadn’t known that OUAT promised an LGBT relationship this season would you even have known that Mulan and Ruby were supposedly set up as one? If anything, Mulan and Merida had a greater connection and more chemistry and history between them than Mulan and Ruby. Ruby didn’t even enter the narrative until about thirty-five minutes in and after that, she was a secondary character to Merida’s story line. I’m not even sure why she was there helping out Merida!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm #312561irish_mikeParticipantI’m not even sure why she was there helping out Merida!
Fan service.
November 15, 2015 at 10:44 pm #312568TheWatcherParticipantAs I don’t have a twitter, I’d really love if you guys kept me updated on the social media’s reaction to this “relationship”.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICNovember 15, 2015 at 10:51 pm #312572WickedRegalParticipantThe dynamic of #WolfWarrior could have been interesting, but I can’t be the only one to think that we’ll never see or hear of them again?
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November 15, 2015 at 10:58 pm #312579MatthewPaulModeratorOne of the recent Adam and Eddy interviews simply said that they would “plant the seeds” in this episode, which it seems like that’s what they did. They also said that both Mulan and Ruby would be in 5B, so I guess that’s when the relationship will truly start to develop.
November 15, 2015 at 11:06 pm #312580RumplesGirlKeymasterOne of the recent Adam and Eddy interviews simply said that they would “plant the seeds” in this episode, which it seems like that’s what they did. They also said that both Mulan and Ruby would be in 5B, so I guess that’s when the relationship will truly start to develop.
Then they planted their seeds poorly because it felt like it was Mulan and Merida the entire episode and Ruby was just a hanger-on whom Mulan went trotting off with later. And it’s like Mike said, the pronoun game is beyond insulting! They still can’t have Mulan say that she was in love with Aurora. It’s being kept vague on purpose (so as not to offend sensibilities?). So no, I have no hope that the show will actually spend any reasonable amount of time developing a realistic LGBT relationship. The next time they visit this particular ship, it will be go about as well as this episode did: it will be obvious filler and be frustratingly vague about any actual LGBT feelings between these two women.
This is endemic of a much larger problem on OUAT: inclusion and representation. People of color crop up every now and then, and then are shuffled off either by being evil or dying. How about gays or lesbians or transgendered peoples? None. Mulan is apparently bisexual but only in the most vague way possible. The writers make Mulan play the pronoun name, never explicitly state that she was into Aurora, not Philip. They have never said nor had Mulan say, out in the open, loud and proud, that she is bisexual/pansexual/gay. It’s the 21st century! It’s 2015! We live in an age where gay boys and girls are being beat up, harassed,and are killing themselves for those they chose to love. Wouldn’t it be great–wouldn’t it be empowering–for our media to tell the LGBT people of the world that they are loved, they are equal, and that their stories deserved to be told right alongside straight peoples! But no. OUAT doesn’t have it in them. They won’t fight that battle, but they’ll take the credit for being “bold” and pushing an LGBT narrative. Heads up, Adam and Eddy. You’re part of the problem, not the solution.
I’ll get off my soapbox now but the fact that they think they are doing something good here is more insulting than the episode.
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