Mulan and Ruby

[Keb]

They’ve planted many seeds and promised to water them with nothing following. We still don’t know how Phillip got his soul back, and that story we were promised. Will’s presence in Storybrooke post-Wonderland DEMANDED explanation that we never got (and probably won’t). And let’s see…Rumbelle, which compared to a LOT of promises is pretty visible at least…well, we get told their story will be explored and they had basically a cameo in the two hour special. They’re even regulars. (Yeah, we got DO Rumple Vision but that’s NOT THE SAME CHARACTER.)

OUAT often feels like the wasteland of missed opportunities to me. I love so much of what they do…but so often they reach for the next shiny thing instead of fulfilling the brilliant promises they make, utilizing the excellent cast members they recruit, and really telling vibrant stories that are character-driven and have the maximum impact.

[WickedRegal]

OUAT often feels like the wasteland of missed opportunities to me. I love so much of what they do…but so often they reach for the next shiny thing instead of fulfilling the brilliant promises they make, utilizing the excellent cast members they recruit, and really telling vibrant stories that are character-driven and have the maximum impact.

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Hence how this show is not as stellar as it was Season 1 – Season 3…..

And the saddest thing is…no one is happy with the show anymore. None. Zip. Zero. Even the most die hard fans are throwing in complaints now. Adam and Eddy think they’ve razzle dazzled everyone when we can clearly see right through their crap.

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[Myril]

RumplesGirl wrote:

Was anyone else wholly disappointed in the presentation of an LGBT relationship because…there was none? Did I miss something?

HOW could they even pass this off as an LGBT relationship?? I swear I was expecting a kiss, a personal, intimate moment between them. SOMETHING! All I saw was three girls doing hardcore stuff. I see no LGBT relationship.

I saw some eye sex, interest, even a bit of cute awkwardness between Mulan and Red. I am admittedly not a fan though of love on first sight schmaltz of romantic movies, so I don’t mind that Mulan and Red weren’t already smooching at the end of the episode, after like maybe at best a few couple of days of knowing each other. And considering how little the true love main cast couples get to kiss and be intimate on this show, why should that be any different with Mulan and Red?

I do agree that it was despite some chemistry and eye sex and cute awkwardness and teasing still left wide open if what we got to see was the beginning of a romance or just a new friendship. If it were a different show, if we had already plenty of diversity on screen, if we would live in utopia I might be all for slow development a la Emma and Hook, but we don’t live yet in utopia and diversity is a problem in society, on screen and even more so on this show. So a more bold and clear statement right now would have been progress, don’t need more delayed hope and guessing games for whatever allegedly surprising twist (which so seldom are surprising even if not following spoilers that closely by now, I think, the writers are predictable). I just don’t fancy anymore stupid discussions of do they or don’t they in this case. They made it way too easy for people to stay ignorant, even in denial of Mulan having had feelings of love for Aurora, to cover their ears and shout, it’s nothing but friendship. It’s overdue for this show to at least boldly go where other shows have boldly gone before long time ago (well, okay, not long time ago but feels like it when I look now at shows like on ABC family The Fosters or even more Netflix’ Sense8 and think of trailblazer Willow and Tara on Buffy, and that was 16 years ago, kids born those years are by now teenagers struggling with their first loves, a little older than Henry maybe). What they did was more the hush-hush of 80s/90s mainstream TV, but nothing bold.

Thing is, that even though I think they likely are romantic, even with all my years of experience in reading sub- as much as opentext I am after this episode at a loss, if Mulan and Red are going to be romantic or not. Shows how this show’s writing made me a distrustful

I was upset that the writers seem to be proclaiming in interviews “Hey! We’re gonna be doing an LGBT story!”, and yet they can’t even have Mulan say she, instead of doing the vague pronoun BS to dance around it. It’s kind of offense, but I’m curious as to how much control they have with ABC (Who apparently is also preventing LGBT dancing on DWTS).

So I was not the only one noticing the pronoun. Well, maybe Mulan had feelings for Aurora and Philip and we get the bold surprise of polyamory as possibility in OUaT? Unlikely, but can sometimes dream that the impossible is just a mere word away from fictional reality. Or so. Maybe it sneaked in? Alright that would mean either rushed writing, not caring, no good writing skills or a slip by the actor, none of the option much of a good choice. Or Mulan is meant to be a bit shy about having feelings for a princess? That would be maybe the best version of an explanation. Or indeed they had not the spine to be open about it or thought it was somehow important for some unreasonable story plot surprise reasons to keep it still vague.

I don’t read a ton of spoilers… was it guaranteed to be in this episode or is it something we can maybe see soon? Not that I think they will continue showing Ruby and Mulan. That was probably a one time deal…

It was speculation by media and fans. Reasonable speculation , but it wasn’t promised for this episode, just that they would do LGBT this season, and not for Mulan and even less Red, just said that they would do some LGBT love story, “a love story that is as exciting, emotional and heartfelt as any other love story”. See Horowitz Interview, The Hollywoodreporter

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[Myril]

HOW could they even pass this off as an LGBT relationship?? I swear I was expecting a kiss, a personal, intimate moment between them. SOMETHING! All I saw was three girls doing hardcore stuff. I see no LGBT relationship.

I saw some eye sex, interest, even a bit of cute awkwardness between Mulan and Red. I am admittedly not a fan though of love on first sight schmaltz of romantic movies, so I don’t mind that Mulan and Red weren’t already smooching at the end of the episode, after like maybe at best a few couple of days of knowing each other. And considering how little the true love main cast couples get to kiss and be intimate on this show, why should that be any different with Mulan and Red?

Now I do agree that it was despite some chemistry and eye sex and cute awkwardness and teasing still left wide open if what we got to see was the beginning of a romance or just a new friendship. If it were a different show, if we had already plenty of diversity on screen, if we would live in utopia I might be all for slow development a la Emma and Hook, but we don’t live yet in utopia and diversity is a problem in society, on screen and even more so on this show. So a more bold and clear statement right now would have been progress, don’t need more delayed hope and guessing games for whatever allegedly surprising twist (which so seldom are surprising even if not following spoilers that closely by now, I think, the writers are predictable). I just don’t fancy anymore stupid discussions of do they or don’t they in this case. They made it way too easy for people to stay ignorant, even in denial of Mulan having had feelings of love for Aurora, to cover their ears and shout, it’s nothing but friendship. It’s overdue for this show to at least boldly go where other shows have boldly gone before long time ago (well, okay, not long time ago but feels like it when I look now at shows like on ABC family The Fosters or even more Netflix’ Sense8 and think of trailblazer Willow and Tara on Buffy, and that was 16 years ago, kids born those years are by now teenagers struggling with their first loves, a little older than Henry maybe). What they did was more the hush-hush of 80s/90s mainstream TV, but nothing bold.

Thing is, that even though I think they likely are romantic, even with all my years of experience in reading sub- as much as opentext I am after this episode at a loss, if Mulan and Red are going to be romantic or not.

I was upset that the writers seem to be proclaiming in interviews “Hey! We’re gonna be doing an LGBT story!”, and yet they can’t even have Mulan say she, instead of doing the vague pronoun BS to dance around it. It’s kind of offense, but I’m curious as to how much control they have with ABC (Who apparently is also preventing LGBT dancing on DWTS).

So I was not the only one noticing the pronoun. Well, maybe Mulan had feelings for Aurora and Philip and we get the bold surprise of polyamory as possibility in OUaT? Unlikely, but can sometimes dream that the impossible is just a mere word away from fictional reality. Or so. Maybe it sneaked in? Alright that would mean either rushed writing, not caring, no good writing skills or a slip by the actor, none of the option much of a good choice. Or Mulan is meant to be a bit shy about having feelings for a princess? That would be maybe the best version of an explanation. Or indeed they had not the spine to be open about it or thought it was somehow important for some unreasonable story plot surprise reasons to keep it still vague.

I don’t read a ton of spoilers… was it guaranteed to be in this episode or is it something we can maybe see soon? Not that I think they will continue showing Ruby and Mulan. That was probably a one time deal…

It was speculation by media and fans. Reasonable speculation , but it wasn’t promised for this episode, just that they would do LGBT this season, and not for Mulan and even less Red, just said that they would do some LGBT love story, “a love story that is as exciting, emotional and heartfelt as any other love story”. See Horowitz Interview, The Hollywoodreporter

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