Multiple MRJ interviews on SwanFire and 21/22

[RumplesGirl]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

SOOOO…do they take Neal's body on the JR? Do they suddenly suspect that he is not truly dead and going to NL is both to save Henry AND to find Neal's spirit? Because the alternative is that they leave his body behind in SB where we think the fail safe is going to go off.

Okay. I had a moment to think of a possible scenario. Everyone thinks Neal is dead, but Emma and Snow remember that Mulan and Aurora heard from Cora that they could rescue Philip's soul. They make sure Neal's body is taken care of, and it doesn't decay, since he's not really dead. The failsafe trigger gets activated, and everyone races out of a vanishing SB via the magical beans. However, instead of killing everyone, the rest of SB residants get sent back to the EF. In S3, Neal's soul is reunited with his body. Crazy, I know.

I like it but something is going to have to be “off” about the death in order for them to think that there is more to his “death.” like it has to be a magical death in order for them think there is a possibility that he is “alive” which makes me think that his death has something to do with the fail-safe. That part of the consequence of him trying to turn off the failsafe is that his spirit is taken to FTL

[rumbelledearie]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@HappyEndings wrote:

Too me there has never been a love triangle, people just see what that want to see or wish to happen when nothing is really there. ❗ I too will be so glad when we get rid of Hook so this sillness stuff of shipping people will stop and we can actually all move on and watch the show without people harping on Emma and a Hook connection good grief. 😡

To be fair to the CS’ers, there is something between Emma and Hook. For me, the most genuine Hook has ever been was toward the end of Tallahassee when he says “Look into my eyes, Swan. Have I lied to you?” I think he honestly would have been on her side and helped her. I do think there is something to explore there because I don’t see Hook as just a “dark” character.
Also, Hook isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He’s going to be around for a long time and I think he should be, even if I don’t find him as compelling as some fans do. He does have a story that will be interesting.

There’s definitely chemistry there, but it will only go as far as flirting. It reminds me of the Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing – sure Kate and Sawyer had a connection, but it wasn’t an in-it-for-the-long-haul type of thing, they just wouldn’t have worked. Same with Emma/Hook.
And I think after these two episodes we’ll see Hook as a more well-rounded character. Especially since 2×22 is supposed to be Hook-centric.

[Demileto]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

To be fair to the CS’ers, there is something between Emma and Hook. For me, the most genuine Hook has ever been was toward the end of Tallahassee when he says “Look into my eyes, Swan. Have I lied to you?” I think he honestly would have been on her side and helped her. I do think there is something to explore there because I don’t see Hook as just a “dark” character.
Also, Hook isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He’s going to be around for a long time and I think he should be, even if I don’t find him as compelling as some fans do. He does have a story that will be interesting.

There’s also his expressing his disappointment at Emma in “Into the Deep”.

However, I haven’t seen it since then. They seem more like rivals after that, truthfully, more akin to Rumple/Regina.

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

SOOOO…do they take Neal's body on the JR? Do they suddenly suspect that he is not truly dead and going to NL is both to save Henry AND to find Neal's spirit? Because the alternative is that they leave his body behind in SB where we think the fail safe is going to go off.

Okay. I had a moment to think of a possible scenario. Everyone thinks Neal is dead, but Emma and Snow remember that Mulan and Aurora heard from Cora that they could rescue Philip's soul. They make sure Neal's body is taken care of, and it doesn't decay, since he's not really dead. The failsafe trigger gets activated, and everyone races out of a vanishing SB via the magical beans. However, instead of killing everyone, the rest of SB residants get sent back to the EF. In S3, Neal's soul is reunited with his body. Crazy, I know.

I like it but something is going to have to be “off” about the death in order for them to think that there is more to his “death.” like it has to be a magical death in order for them think there is a possibility that he is “alive” which makes me think that his death has something to do with the fail-safe. That part of the consequence of him trying to turn off the failsafe is that his spirit is taken to FTL

Rumple, Snow and Emma may all suspect there's something off, especially if the Wraith comes into play. They probably know about lost souls being sent to another realm when they're sucked by a Wraith.

Regarding the failsafe, yes, I could totally see that really happening. Perhaps I'm way over thinking this, but Neal's life in our world might be completely tied up with the existence of SB. If you think about, if it hadn't been for Baelfire, then Rumple never would have created a dark curse that brought everyone from the EF to SB. And now, it's almost like SB has served its purpose, which was to get Rumple to a Land Without Magic to find Baelfire. So, the price of this dark curse has yet to be paid, because Rumple can't have everything, both magic and his son. Rumple might have designed the failsafe so that he could take Neal back to the EF one day, but maybe he doesn't see the cost yet. Perhaps activating the failsafe is somehow magically tied to Neal's life, and so when SB ceases to exist in this world, Neal ceases to exist in this world. His soul is sent to the same place as Philip's soul.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Rumple, Snow and Emma may all suspect there's something off, especially if the Wraith comes into play. They probably know about lost souls being sent to another realm when they're sucked by a Wraith.

Regarding the failsafe, yes, I could totally see that really happening. Perhaps I'm way over thinking this, but Neal's life in our world might be completely tied up with the existence of SB. If you think about, if it hadn't been for Baelfire, then Rumple never would have created a dark curse that brought everyone from the EF to SB. And now, it's almost like SB has served its purpose, which was to get Rumple to a Land Without Magic to find Baelfire. So, the price of this dark curse has yet to be paid, because Rumple can't have everything, both magic and his son. Rumple might have designed the failsafe so that he could take Neal back to the EF one day, but maybe he doesn't see the cost yet. Perhaps activating the failsafe is somehow magically tied to Neal's life, and so when SB ceases to exist in this world, Neal ceases to exist in this world. His soul is sent to the same place as Philip's soul.

Can the Wraith come after a soul that hasn't been marked? Unless someone marks him. Hmmm. BUT I do love the idea that SB is tied to the existence of Neal

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MysteryKat25]

@HappyEndings wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@HappyEndings wrote:

Too me there has never been a love triangle, people just see what that want to see or wish to happen when nothing is really there. ❗ I too will be so glad when we get rid of Hook so this sillness stuff of shipping people will stop and we can actually all move on and watch the show without people harping on Emma and a Hook connection good grief. 😡

To be fair to the CS’ers, there is something between Emma and Hook. For me, the most genuine Hook has ever been was toward the end of Tallahassee when he says “Look into my eyes, Swan. Have I lied to you?” I think he honestly would have been on her side and helped her. I do think there is something to explore there because I don’t see Hook as just a “dark” character.
Also, Hook isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He’s going to be around for a long time and I think he should be, even if I don’t find him as compelling as some fans do. He does have a story that will be interesting.

Look into my eyes doesn’t really mean anything, it must be this young generation who wants to add something to a comment or think what is said is fliriting because this is just a statement nothing more to me.

I agree with RG on this one (and thanks even though I know you’re not much of a CS’er except to get to SF!). Hook was the most genuine with his conversation with Emma on their little adventure in Tallahassee. He said quite a few interesting things especially on the trip up the beanstalk but he was also very impressed with how she handled things when they were up there, even telling her she’d make a good pirate (which is a compliment coming from him) and some of the things he said about the lost boys makes me think we’ll be seeing a very different side of him very soon.

He even went so far as to “waste” all the rum he had on him to make sure her hand wasn’t infected before bandaging it himself. Who else would he have bothered to do that for instead of just saying keep going?

I think he was also feeling the most betrayed by her leaving him there because he is a pirate and doesn’t trust easily but he trusted her and they DID make a very good team. Think about how he treats Emma vs everyone else who betrays him. He either uses them and then betrays them (ie: Regina) or spends his life plotting revenge (Rumple) but with Emma, no matter what she does or how much it hurts him, he is always happy to see her and forgives her instantly. How many times has she knocked him out or tied him up now? Just saying.

I will agree with the comment about people seeing what they want to see (or blocking out what they don’t want to see) but there are many of us, though we do have a preference for one side or the other, that do actually see both. Thanks for backing me up on that RG!

Like I said from watching Tallahassee I see the potential for both outcomes. They paralleled them very nicely. To me, the flashback is her past and it won’t be coming back and Hook is the present / future but that doesn’t mean I don’t see the potential for them to go the SwanFire route. BOTH couplings have a lot of parallels with Snowing and BOTH have potential on their own merit. Do I prefer CaptainSwan, sure I do. Doesn’t mean I don’t see what others do in SwanFire. I don’t block out those moments, I just don’t prefer them or dwell on them too much if I can help it. I’m sure that’s what many do with CaptainSwan where they just don’t want to see it so they don’t, but both are there.

I get why love triangles can be a bit of a turnoff but look at how boring Snowing got when they have very little to do in SB (I am hoping they’re more like themselves when we get to a different land again) and even the couples we know have to end up together for sure have more exciting stuff going on. Emma is new and can be anything along the way.

I’d rather they at least explore the idea of the triangle and keep us guessing for a bit than give her a boring coupledom and then backburner all of it. They’ve shown too much potential for both that to get rid of one so easily would cause riots in the fandom and probably kill ratings. Look at how often Graham gets brought up and that was from episode 7! Imagine what would happen now.

If somebody new comes into the picture that is viable with either of them than fine, it can taper off and go whichever way as long as it’s believable / organic / feels right. I’m all for a Hook pairing I can root for that doesn’t step on anybody else’s toes so I can enjoy it without being ridiculed. There’s just nobody currently on the show that I see that happening with and most of the new people brought in would already have their OTL set in stone.

We’re spoiled in that this show has LOTS of couples we already know are destined for each other so it’s the journey getting there but we know the destination. With Emma everything is up in the air and new. So we have a journey where we don’t know the outcome, so what? Let’s enjoy the ride getting there and see where we end up! That’s not a bad thing!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[MysteryKat25]

slurpeez108 – I love that theory! The idea that it's tied up to NealFire makes total sense since it was designed with him in mind. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Good job!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[RumplesGirl]

OK. To put this all in one post, here is what we’ve got:

Neal is the one who dies, but it is not a true death. It is his soul that is perhaps sucked out by the Wraith and taken to the Wraith's land where Neal meets MAP. The fail safe is tied to Neal's continual existence as a whole person, so when he loses his soul SB begins to come apart and maybe people start disappearing back to FTL as the town leaves our world

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[tiara_rose]

slurpeez108 –I love that theory! The idea that it's tied up to NealFire makes total sense since it was designed with him in mind. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Good job!

I love this idea too. Breathtaking. Twisted and Brilliant and evrything fits together.

Heros don't get their Happy Ending!

[MysteryKat25]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

OK. To put this all in one post, here is what we’ve got:

Neal is the one who dies, but it is not a true death. It is his soul that is perhaps sucked out by the Wraith and taken to the Wraith's land where Neal meets MAP. The fail safe is tied to Neal's continual existence as a whole person, so when he loses his soul SB begins to come apart and maybe people start disappearing back to FTL as the town leaves our world

That certainly sounds plausible. Thanks for the concise recap RG!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

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