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The tornado was made of green mist, like Zelena’s own magic. And since Zelena is planning to mess with time, I think it’ll turn out that she is responsible for her own fate when her history-fixing spell goes wrong. Or maybe the tornado didn’t transport the baby to Oz but instead was just Zelena’s failed attempt to retrieve her younger self.
THIS!!!! I was contemplating this earlier today… The only thing that gets me is that The Wizard said he was also taken by a tornado… He never specifies if it was green and such but still. Why would Zelena bring him to Oz? Something is really amiss here…. I can’t even compile my thoughts >_<
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If you’re right then that is one of the worst pieces of script writing I’ve seen in a long time.
I think your right @Felie . Right after I watched the episode I was like “finally there is something about Zelenas past”, but then I realized that there are still more unanswered questions than answered ones. And that there are lot of scenes that don’t really make sense, like how Zelenas father is thinking of her as wicked or why she was jealous of Regina just one moment after she gets to know about her. But I would’t call the episode bad or crap. Just the flashbacks! the realtime story in SB was good. I really enjoyed seeing Tink again… and the Regina scenes are awsome. She really trusted Robin with her heart, I think she’s really able to learn
There is HOPE! I think the episode’s only redeeming parts were Regina’s scenes with Hood. Zelena’s story should have had its own episode, while Neal’s wake and the witch-fight should have been in another episode. It just felt like they had tried to cram too much into one episode and every storyline except the Regina/Hood storyline suffered as a result. This is really disappointing considering the amount of potential there was in the story of Zelena’s past.
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"there’s lesbians in it"Zelena’s father thought her wicked because he saw her use magic as a baby. He never liked it, he only took Zelena in because of his wife. He was probably always wary of her.
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Keeper of FelixFirst of all they gave no build up to the story of Zelena’s childhood, they just jumped from two Oz peasants finding a magical baby and deciding to keep it to, what… 18 years later? Was it a bad childhood? Abusive? Unhappy? We don’t know. One thing we do know is that, despite what everyone keep saying, Zelena actually did know love; her adoptive mother. From what her father said her mother had apparently loved her enough to treat her as her own child, to the point where she didn’t even want Zelena to know she was adopted. We have this huge gap where we are presumably supposed to just believe Zelena… suffered? I don’t know, you know why? Because there was absolutely no context given to anything the Oz characters did. It felt like everything that happened to Zelena to make her the Wicked Witch took place at her home, just a few seconds before leaving, and then with Rumple after he ‘dumped’ her. We weren’t shown any build up to her being bitter, she ‘just was’.
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This is a big problem the writer of ONCE have had with their villains as of late. Malcolm had one line of dialogue about being an apprentice and how it sucked but we got NOTHING that really let us inside his head. Cora had two backstories and will probably have one more now that we know Zelena is in fact her daughter.
It seems that this episode is full of ‘just because’ –ness. Zelena’s mother decides to adopt her ‘just because’. Zelena’s father hates that his daughter is magic ‘just because’. Zelena is jealous of Regina ‘just because’. I can’t speak for other viewers, but I need CONTEXT in order to give a crap about characters and their behaviour.
Yeah I agree, especially about Zelena hating Regina. It came out of NOWHERE. Why not Cora??
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah I agree, especially about Zelena hating Regina. It came out of NOWHERE. Why not Cora??
It could’ve just been the first coherent thought that popped into her head after her sense of self had been shattered. The seed for her new identity. I think most people wouldn’t react that way, but the show depicts magic as like a drug, and Zelena has high levels of magic in her system all the time.
Zelena’s subconscious is in control of the magic — her skin turning green, her comment after the handkerchief appeared — and her conscious mind can direct it somewhat but can’t really tame it. By hating Regina, Zelena can feel that she’s at least in control of something. I think Cora would be a difficult target for that rage because Zelena has positive associations with the notion of “mother”, since her adoptive mother was kind to her. Since she didn’t have any siblings in her Oz family, she never developed any empathy for the concept of “sister”.
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Am I the only person who thought Zelena nicked her father on purpose? The was a fairly quick swipe of the razor. She might not have consciously decided to cut him, but I think her subconscious got the best of her and she couldn’t control it.
Surely this wasn’t the first time he was cruel to her. And surely she must have had ALOT of magical mishaps as she grew up. Imagine the terrible twos with a magic wielding toddler.
Zelena’s father thought her wicked because he saw her use magic as a baby. He never liked it, he only took Zelena in because of his wife. He was probably always wary of her.
Yes, you’re right. All this information was given to us in the episode, but WHY was he wary of her magic? In a land like Oz (ruled by a wizard, good witches abound, etc.) why did he dislike magic? We weren’t given any context as to his thoughts, he ‘just was’ wary of her magical abilities. If they’d have mentioned that he was hurt by magic in the past or was a member of a religion that condemned magic as ‘evil’ then at least we would have known where he was coming from. As it stands we were just given the corner pieces of the puzzle and left to speculate what the rest of the pieces might look like for ourselves. This isn’t very good writing, in fact, it’s terrible writing.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Yeah I agree, especially about Zelena hating Regina. It came out of NOWHERE. Why not Cora??
It could’ve just been the first coherent thought that popped into her head after her sense of self had been shattered. The seed for her new identity. I think most people wouldn’t react that way, but the show depicts magic as like a drug, and Zelena has high levels of magic in her system all the time. Zelena’s subconscious is in control of the magic — her skin turning green, her comment after the handkerchief appeared — and her conscious mind can direct it somewhat but can’t really tame it. By hating Regina, Zelena can feel that she’s at least in control of something. I think Cora would be a difficult target for that rage because Zelena has positive associations with the notion of “mother”, since her adoptive mother was kind to her. Since she didn’t have any siblings in her Oz family, she never developed any empathy for the concept of “sister”.
You’re probably right, but most ouat viewers aren’t psychologists or people who care enough to think this deeply about the character’s psyche. Most viewers are casuals who want 45 minutes of escapism. If what you’re saying is true then we should have been given this information in order to establish context. To me, just going from what I saw in the episode, it seemed strange that Zelena went to the Wizard in order to find her family, only to turn into a jealous psycho the second she discovered she had a sister. If there had been some negative contact between her and Regina then her rage could have been believable, or had Cora told Zelena that she didn’t love her but did love Regina then her rage would have been somewhat justified. As it stands her whole story feels extremely shallow; like a half-arsed attempt to giving us a glimpse at what drives Zelena in her quest to destroy her sister.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Zelena’s father thought her wicked because he saw her use magic as a baby. He never liked it, he only took Zelena in because of his wife. He was probably always wary of her.
Yes, you’re right. All this information was given to us in the episode, but WHY was he wary of her magic? In a land like Oz (ruled by a wizard, good witches abound, etc.) why did he dislike magic? We weren’t given any context as to his thoughts, he ‘just was’ wary of her magical abilities. If they’d have mentioned that he was hurt by magic in the past or was a member of a religion that condemned magic as ‘evil’ then at least we would have known where he was coming from. As it stands we were just given the corner pieces of the puzzle and left to speculate what the rest of the pieces might look like for ourselves. This isn’t very good writing, in fact, it’s terrible writing.
The father is basically Tamara 2.0. She was never given any sort of explanation as to why she hated magic so much. She just *did*. But yes in a land like Oz, his distaste for magic is odd.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The father is basically Tamara 2.0. She was never given any sort of explanation as to why she hated magic so much. She just *did*. But yes in a land like Oz, his distaste for magic is odd.
This show has an amazing premise (AMAZING PREMISE!!!!!!!!!!). It has so much material it can draw from and use as inspiration, or to outright incorporate, that it could potentially go on for 10+ extra seasons and still be fresh. The only thing letting the show down at the moment is shoddy writing. The inclusion of poorly conceived, shallowly scripted characters like Tamara, Malcolm, and last episode’s Oz characters will ultimately drive the casual viewer away, thus dropping the ratings down so low that it won’t be recommissioned past next season. Such a shame, this really could be the best fantasy show ever produced, if written by good writers.
"so there’s this new show….."
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