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March 9, 2013 at 3:12 am #136264playaritaParticipant
Sorry if it seems all over the place but I am trying to keep it organized.
Tamara possibly being related to Never Never Land
First, Tamara may not be FTL related at all but may have her own type of magic that exists in this world. I do think that some sort of magic exists here but it’s so primitive that it’s more an energy source. So if she were of this world then she might be an embodiment of someone who can funnel that energy and obtained some sort of level beyond what we live in (ascended if that is an apt word). That or she is able to travel between worlds in a way that is different from the way FTL characters do it. I am thinking of Charles De Lint and how some of his characters can travel in the spirit world or the world between the spirit world and our world.About Tamara’s name:
Tamara can mean spice, date palm, or lotus flower depending on origin. It’s also based on the Tamar.A few things come to mind when I think of date palms and spices. I think of the Mediterranean, Caribbean, and generally that area. The first place I went to was Calypso because of Captain Hook’s name being Killian Jones But I wanted to do some further research and for instance the goddess Yemaya who is the ocean, essence of motherhood and protector of children. Interestingly enough there is a goddess that goes by the name of Tamar who is a Georgian sky goddess. Then there is Asherah who is the Queen of Heaven and also Lady of the Sea or who treads on the sea. So perhaps she might be Calypso but a sort of hodge podge of several dieties?
Possible connection to Captain Hook
My guess is that she is connected to Captain Hook (perhaps he has a connection to Davy Jones of Davy Jones Locker). Which either means that he met her in Never Never Land or sometime prior. (Perhaps she helped him find a way of staying alive for over 300 years?)About the engagement
Second, I have no hate for Tamara. However I do believe there is more to the story. I don’t really see how from the first episode of Broken (which gave the impression of a bachelor) we then see he is engaged. The impression I got was that he had to do it because of a situation he found himself in (perhaps got in over his head with the wrong people) or she is someone who knows of his past and in keeping silent needed a favor.If, and this is a big if, she does have a connection to Captain Hook (and Neal seems to have a connection to Captain Hook) then she must know something about Neal that would make him quick to help her. I was wondering about the Peter Pan connection. I don’t think he is Peter Pan. I know the creators have said we are not going to meet Peter Pan this season and I understand how that it can be interpreted either as Neal not being Peter Pan or we not getting his Peter Pan backstory until next season. There is also the theory of his being a lost boy.
I was wondering though judging from his skittishness and her possessiveness seems that there is something that Neal wants to hide. I don’t really see why he would hide his being Peter Pan identity or being a Lost Boy. Unless he wasn’t the “good” guy but on Captain Hook’s side. He mentions knowing how to sail. He recognizes Hook.
Neal’s connection to Never Never Land and
Had they met in Never Never Land then Hook could have easily started to turn Neal against Rumple by telling him about the fact that Rumple was drunk with power, that he tore out Milah’s heart and crushed it (yes she abandoned him but this episode shows that Neal has an immense love for his parents…he even called Rumple papa when he saw Rumple hurt), that Rumple did not care for Neal any longer. So he learned from Hook and was a crew of his ship. Plus Hook might have wanted to keep Neal under his wing because he was Milah’s son.Possible deal struck between Tamara and Neal?
The only thing I can think of is that Tamara might have told Neal about what Rumple was trying to do, what his motivation was as the Dark Lord in spite of his dark magic and very much cruel way of deal making etc, and told him about the curse that was cast. Neal might have felt it was his duty to help break the curse that Rumple found. Tamara could have told him about Emma, about her being the savior etc. That could explain how Emma and him met. Perhaps he used a bit of magic to have her drawn to the bug. Then we see what happens after. Their falling in love, etc.But because magic comes with a price then Neal might have been at the mercy of Tamara’s wishes whatever they may be. For now it seems to be playing the role of fiance and using this “endearment” to allow her to cross into Storybrooke.
I don’t know (or rather) I doubt she did this out of the goodness of her heart but she may turn malevolent when she is finally able to go to where she needs to go to accomplish her plans…
And that was long-winded.. 😆
In summary:
1. Tamara may have a connection to both Captain Hook (either with himself directly or his father who might have ties with Davy Jones) and Neal from Never Never Land.
2. She may be a “goddess” such as Calypso or a hodge podge of different goddesses
3. There may be a deal between Neal and Tamara
4. That Neal might not have been Peter Pan, or a lost boy but on Hook’s crew himself.[adrotate group="5"]March 10, 2013 at 1:49 am #178616enchantedoneParticipantInteresting theories…thanks for sharing. It would make sense for Tamara to be related to the sea via hook/Calypso…and as far as the engagement between Neal and Tamara I thought it was so wierd how they greeted each other so formely in front of Emma…No kiss, just a hug like friends. I also think that Neal was a lost boy. Ii thought for a while that he was peter pan but that seems too obvious. I’m guessing they want to leave that charector open for other plots.
March 15, 2013 at 5:42 am #180094playaritaParticipant@EnchantedOne wrote:
Interesting theories…thanks for sharing. It would make sense for Tamara to be related to the sea via hook/Calypso…and as far as the engagement between Neal and Tamara I thought it was so wierd how they greeted each other so formely in front of Emma…No kiss, just a hug like friends. I also think that Neal was a lost boy. Ii thought for a while that he was peter pan but that seems too obvious. I’m guessing they want to leave that charector open for other plots.
I’ve left thoughts in the Tamara is thread but something else that caught my eye is the fact that in next episode Bae and Emma are treating each other goes simply beyond working with each other to stop Regina and Cora. Bae was joking with Emma but I got a flirtatiousness vibe from it. That either means he’s gauging how much Emma can tolerate or to see how angry she is.
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