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I think that Felix is just the next “Pan” – bit like the Dread Pirate Roberts.
If Neal is Peter Pan…. well, he clearly left Neverland and grew up, yeah? But Neverland is still (as far as we know) there. And there are still Lost Boys who need/want a leader. So the Pan mantle goes to the next one….
Still leaves room for Nealfire to be Peter Pan, while explaining this casting call.
FWIW, regarding the Greek god Pan, (where Peter Pan gets part of his name from), there wasn’t strictly just one…
Pan might be multiplied as the Panes (Burkert 1985, III.3.2; Ruck and Staples 1994 p 132[12]) or the Paniskoi. Kerenyi (p. 174) notes from scholia that Aeschylus in Rhesus distinguished between two Pans, one the son of Zeus and twin of Arcas, and one a son of Cronus. “In the retinue of Dionysos, or in depictions of wild landscapes, there appeared not only a great Pan, but also little Pans, Paniskoi, who played the same part as the Satyrs”.
All of the Pans
Pan could be multiplied into a swarm of Pans, and even be given individual names, as in Nonnus’ Dionysiaca, where the god Pan had twelve sons that helped Dionysus in his war against the Indians. Their names were Kelaineus, Argennon, Aigikoros, Eugeneios, Omester, Daphoineus, Phobos, Philamnos, Xanthos, Glaukos, Argos, and Phorbas.
Two other Pans were Agreus and Nomios. Both were the sons of Hermes, Agreus’ mother being the nymph Sose, a prophetess: he inherited his mother’s gift of prophecy, and was also a skilled hunter. Nomios’ mother was Penelope (not the same as the wife of Odysseus). He was an excellent shepherd, seducer of nymphs, and musician upon the shepherd’s pipes. Most of the mythological stories about Pan are actually about Nomios, not the god Pan. Although, Agreus and Nomios could have been two different aspects of the prime Pan, reflecting his dual nature as both a wise prophet and a lustful beast.
Aegipan, literally “goat-Pan,” was a Pan who was fully goatlike, rather than half-goat and half-man. When the Olympians fled from the monstrous giant Typhoeus and hid themselves in animal form, Aegipan assumed the form of a fish-tailed goat. Later he came to the aid of Zeus in his battle with Typhoeus, by stealing back Zeus’ stolen sinews. As a reward the king of the gods placed him amongst the stars as the Constellation Capricorn. The mother of Aegipan, Aix (the goat), was perhaps associated with the constellation Capra.
Sybarios was an Italian Pan who was worshipped in the Greek colony of Sybaris in Italy. The Sybarite Pan was conceived when a Sybarite shepherd boy named Krathis copulated with a pretty she-goat amongst his herdshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pane_(mythology)
I agree.
I’m guessing Felix was the leader or became the leader after Bae left.I don’t see Bae being just a Lost boy.
His alias is Neal Cassady.
The real Neal Cassady was known as the Peter Pan of his generation, not the Lost Boy of his generation.Also, Peter pan is, in a sence, Bobby Driscoll, but, giving Bae that as an alias would have definitely given it away, so, they went the indirect route with Neal Cassady (yes, it is spelled different – there’s a reason)
Bobby Driscoll lived a similar life as Neal Cassady did, and they both died in 1968.
Plus, there are 6-7 paragraphs worth of clues connecting Bea/Neal to Peter Pan.Yeah, I’m still not buying he wasn’t the Peter Pan as we know it. He was in Neverland for 300 years. As a 14 year old. On top of all the other clues, I am definitely not giving up on that theory any time soon. In fact, I was more sure about Bae being Peter Pan before the first season was over with than I even was about Neal being Bae.
At this point who knows what will happen but my money is still on Nealfire Pan!Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
Why does everybody assume Hook was a lost boy? By his conversation he had with Smee before going to Neverland it seemed he had never been there before. When he spent time with the lost boys I believe he was referring to when he went there and learned the land from the lost boys then quickly had a falling out. It was also suppose to establish that him and Nealfire had a previous relationship, which they then admitted to when Nealfire saw him in New York. Nothing ever suggests he was in Neverland as a boy.
I agree, Jbwood5.
Hook went to Neverland and he was already an adult.
That’s why I don’t buy the ‘Hook may be Peter Pan’ theory that I’ve read on several fan sites.
One of the main charactersistcs of Peter Pan is that he was a 14 yr old boy.Exactly, Hook went to Neverland to “live as long as it takes”. We see him go there shortly after Bae went down the portal, correct? I wouldn’t mind if Bae’s/Peter’s relationship w/Hook was a little different take here on OUAT, but in my own head it wouldn’t make sense because of how Milah left Rumple and Bae. Milah abandoned Bae and Rumple like Rumple “abandoned” Bae. We know how our little Nealfire feels about abandonment. Now, if Bae didn’t know, then it makes sense. But who knows, they could do the whole arc of them making a truce and becoming friendly.
But yes, the timeline would suggest Hook goes to Neverland for the first time to “live as long as it takes” to avenge Milah’s death. I don’t recall any other suggestions that he had been there before meeting Milah, so if there are, please give me the reference, anyone 🙂 Lack of suggestions doesn’t mean it was his first time, but if there aren’t any all we have to go on our assumptions based on what we already know.
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
Nealfire was also told his mother was kidnapped by pirates so I can’t imagine if he is pan (I believe he is) that he would have a great relationship with Hook…. But maybe his reason for leaving Neverland was when Hook tells him the truth behind Milah. It would make sense that of he knew Hook came from his land that he thought his father could get to him so he “ran” to our world where he thought he was safe because of the lack of magic. We know he has been running from all his problems his entire life, well until Henry, who I believe will end that cycle like he has already started by him facing Rumple about his abandonment. Now he will force Nealfire Pan to seek the truth of his mother.
I personally don’t think that when Hook took Smee to Neverland he had never been there before. He just seemed so sure of where they were going, and so he would have had to have heard of it, and know it was a place where he could accomplish his purposes. I’m not entirely clear on how the beans work, but how could he have steered the ship there if he hadn’t been there before? Not that I specifically think Hook was ever Peter Pan; I just want to rebut this idea that Hook was going there for the first time, because I don’t think he was. He definitely could have been a Lost Boy.
And there is no way Nealfire isn’t Peter Pan. What are they going to do in Neverland for two episodes without a Peter Pan cast already?
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