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I’m not entirely clear on how the beans work, but how could he have steered the ship there if he hadn’t been there before?
Hook didn’t have to steer the ship to Neverland, he just had to steer it to the vortex that took them there.
Hook could of heard of Neverland without actually ever going there.
Bae ended up there and he had never been there before.What are they going to do in Neverland for two episodes without a Peter Pan cast already?
They did one whole eps without revealing that Dr Whale was Victor Frankenstein until the very end.
They can probably make the same technique work for 2 eps, and we won’t actually see Peter Pan til next season.[adrotate group="5"]Last words of the season are going to be the lost boys looking at bae saying “Peter?”…… Or something like that to lead into season 3
I hope Neal isn’t Pan otherwise it sort of limits the directions the character can go. Relationship wise Pan is linked with either Wendy, Tinkerbell or Tiger Lily. If Neal is not Pan then his character can go in any direction.
Perhaps the audience will be lead to believe that Neal is Peter Pan right up to the end of the finale where maybe he is caught by the Lost Boys and taken to their leader. Neal would then say “Hello Peter” then the credits roll.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think it may end with the Lost Boys finding him and demanding to know who he is, and he’ll give them the fake name, Peter. We know from his comment to August in NYC that he didn’t want his father finding him, so it’s reasonable to assume that he renamed himself something common like Peter, instead of sticking with such a unique name in Baelfire, to make it harder for his father to track him down. Even if the name Peter isn’t revealed by the end of this season, I think that reasoning stands for why he would have changed his name, which is how he becomes the Onciverse’s Peter Pan.
I was thinking about this again. I still like to explore Neal possibly being a part of Hook’s crew. First, I can see this happening because with Hook having loved Milah he may want to be a father figure to her son. Second, with Hook being the father figure Neal could have learned how to sail a ship. Third, with Neal wanting to run away so much could have been exasperated by Hook telling Neal about the Dark One; Hook may have fed Neal things to exact revenge on Rumple. Fourth, in Tallahassee Hook mentions that a pirate always keeps a souvenir of his conquests and Neal’s apartment could possibly be a result of his keeping souvenirs of his conquests. (The only thing I remember about Henry is that he shared a love of clocks as well… yes?)
I haven’t seen this theory anywhere — so here’s my two cents.
People have been guessing on the relationship between Bae and Hook. Well, after Milah’s death, Hook went to Neverland to give him time to figure out a way to kill the Dark One.
Somehow he stumbled upon Bae and found out who he was. I think he imprisoned Bae on his ship in order to manipulate Bae into telling him how to kill Rumple. Perhaps it took a long time — centuries — for Bae to finally reveal something about the dagger.
Remember, Hook returned to the Enchanted Forest centuries later (when Regina was the Queen and close to enacting the curse and had Bell locked up in the tower) and he already knew all about the dagger. He just didn’t know where to find it.
So I think Bae was a prisoner on board Hook’s ship in Neverland…perhaps he eventually became part of the crew. I doubt Hook treated him poorly for the sake of Milah, but at the same time did not want him to escape for the sake of killing Rumple. That’s how Bae learned how to sail the ship.
What do you guys think?
Somehow he stumbled upon Bae and found out who he was. I think he imprisoned Bae on his ship in order to manipulate Bae into telling him how to kill Rumple. Perhaps it took a long time — centuries — for Bae to finally reveal something about the dagger
Oooh. Dark. I like it! I can’t wait to see Hook/Nealfire interaction 🙂 That’s going to help so much.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Pan is like the Dark One – a position of magic with different people filling the role.
Pan has a pan flute and his own dagger. He almost never uses the dagger, preferring a sword instead. I doubt that they would give Pan and Rumple the same magical item, but maybe the pan flute decides who the Pan is. I would be really disappointed if the PAN FLUTE carries no weight in the show. I’m a PP nerd and have a collection of pan flutes. Beautiful instruments
Also, the Pan we know from the original stories had a fascination with fairy tales. The whole reason he comes to Wendy’s window is to hear her stories – specifically Cinderella. So Pan being from EF makes sense in some ways. Maybe Neal felt home sick, and wanted to hear Wendy tell the stories.
He left neverland, and now there’s a new Pan. Line from the movie, Hook. “I’ve got Pan’s sword, I’m the Pan now! You think this guys gonna take it from me, Rufio?” –Rufio
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I haven’t seen this theory anywhere — so here’s my two cents.
People have been guessing on the relationship between Bae and Hook. Well, after Milah’s death, Hook went to Neverland to give him time to figure out a way to kill the Dark One.
Somehow he stumbled upon Bae and found out who he was. I think he imprisoned Bae on his ship in order to manipulate Bae into telling him how to kill Rumple. Perhaps it took a long time — centuries — for Bae to finally reveal something about the dagger.
Remember, Hook returned to the Enchanted Forest centuries later (when Regina was the Queen and close to enacting the curse and had Bell locked up in the tower) and he already knew all about the dagger. He just didn’t know where to find it.
It makes sense that whatever Hook knew about the dagger, he found out from Bae in Neverland.
If Bae was going by his real name in Neverland, Hook would have figured out pretty quickly who he was, and would have tried to get info out of him. If I were Bae though, and I wanted to hide from my crackpot father who might come looking for me, I’d have chosen a different name to go by in Neverland. That’s part of why I think he may have been Peter, because it’s such a bog ordinary name, as opposed to the very unique Baelfire.
But…why would Hook hang around in Neverland for 200 odd years if he wasn’t onto something there? This would seem to suggest that he may well have figured out early on who Bae was. But then the question is, did he have 200 odd years of patience in him, as he waited for Bae to cough up the info? He’d have needed the patience of a freaking saint.
But let’s assume that he was willing to wait as long as it took. Part of his plan to get info out of the kid may have been to recruit him as a cabin boy on his ship, treat him well, so he earned his trust, and then hope that one day he’d spill some useable info about his father. That’s how I could see Bae’s “being held prisoner” playing out. I don’t think Hook would have held him against his will, but if the kid felt like a valued member of the ship’s crew, that would keep him around of his own free will.
Then, finally, one day, Bae spills some info, and Hook takes off back to FTL, leaving poor Bae once again screwed over and abandoned by a father figure. That would actually fit quite nicely with Neal’s comment to Emma in Manhattan where he seems fine with leaving Hook behind.
But, something else to consider is that Hook didn’t have all the info on the dagger. He didn’t even seem to know that it was a dagger. “Belle, your father’s life hangs in the balance. I need to know what that weapon is, and where to find it.” If Bae was spilling info, what made him stop short of revealing the specifics? And why didn’t Hook hang around longer in Neverland, trying to keep the kid talking? Did Hook have a reaction that gave away too much about his motives, at which point Bae ran away from him, taking the specifics about the dagger with him? And did Hook just give up on finding him, and instead headed back to FTL with what little info he did have? Seems a bit hasty for someone who’d been prepared to wait 200 years for Bae to spill in the first place.
Sorry, this post ended up kind of rambling. 😕 Basically though, I could get behind the idea that Hook kept Bae on the boat with the motive of getting information about Rumple. Where that came in the timeline, I’m still undecided on, because I think Bae’s true identity might have been secret for at least a while, during which time he became known as Peter Pan.
The Bae/Hook dynamic and history (and also how it will affect Rumple) is something I need to see right now so bad it hurts. So many questions. So many emotions. So many directions it could go.
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