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Neal knew about the Blood tie or what ever it was called, he knew about the crystal ball and how that worked. Neal is actually 200 plus years old
so for 200 years he had to be some where.[adrotate group="5"]Neal knew about the Blood tie or what ever it was called, he knew about the crystal ball and how that worked. Neal is actually 200 plus years old
so for 200 years he had to be some where.Don’t know what blood magic has to do with it–we’ve only see in it the EF, nowhere else.
Neal didn’t know how to use the Crystal Ball–Mulan had to instruct him how to use it because the first time he tried, it didn’t work. It was Mulan who managed to help him.
Timeline wise, Neal is about 150-200. He was in NL as a 15 yr old, frozen in time, until he left and landed in our World in 1991, thus making his DOB on his wanted poster 1977.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neal did know about Blood-magic, but then it sounds like a concept that is just part of knowing about the fairy-tale world. The shoes reference though was a bit more odd.
I forget if this thread but the globe that Cora gave Rumple and the crystal ball are two different magical items. Rumple might have magically transported the globe off Hook’s ship after they returned from NL, but then with the reverse-curse, it probably wound up in the Dark Castle, which is where the crystal ball is.
I wonder if we will see either of these objects soon, and if so, if these items have a tie to Zelena, even if Neal himself doesn’t. Cora got this globe from somewhere, and it sounded sort of legendary–what if Zelena had it and wants it back?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
We were Brewing on this theory over in chat that Neal, who is MIA at the moment is going to be portrayed as Dorothy and that is why he is lost- he is trying to find his way home. There might be a flashback of a story where Neal ends up in Oz where he meets a Young Zelena before she turns green, possibly in the ep. “Its not easy being green” that is when they fall in love, so Neal is Z’s love interest who she has lost and is now looking for, hence why she says to Rumple that she wont have to spend a lifetime searching for Neal like Rumple had to. Neal is Associated with fire- Bealfire and Z’ is with Water! Neal’s Family is Emma and Henry, like Dorothy’s aunt and uncle in ‘Wizard of Oz’ is named Emma and Henry. Then there is something with that globe- Rumple has that globe that can find people wich Neal apearantly used to find Emma. And Z’s problem with Regina is “a global one”??? I dont know if there is something to that but it just crossed my mind and puzzled me.
Love the theory but the only issue I have with this is that we’ve already seen Dorothy in Henry’s book and she was a girl. If they were to make Neal Dorothy, (they made Jack as female) then that’s a huge continuity error on the writer’s part.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Neal was never in Oz. That was pretty much confirmed in 313, Witch Hunt, when he did not know about flying monkeys or that Oz was a real place.
I don’t believe that it was established that he hasn’t been to OZ. When Reggie said it was a flying monkey that attacked them, Neal said: “Ok, you’re acting like this is normal”, meaning Regina wasn’t surprised to see them in the EF. Neal could have been surprised to see them in the EF. Doesn’t mean he didn’t know about them or know about OZ.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Neal was never in Oz. That was pretty much confirmed in 313, Witch Hunt, when he did not know about flying monkeys or that Oz was a real place.
I don’t believe that it was established that he hasn’t been to OZ. When Reggie said it was a flying monkey that attacked them, Neal said: ”Ok, you’re acting like this is normal”, meaning Regina wasn’t surprised to see them in the EF. Neal could have been surprised to see them in the EF. Doesn’t mean he didn’t know about them or know about OZ.
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree because that’s not how I read the conversation.
Grumpy: If I didn’t know any better I’d say it was a monkey
Regina: that’s exactly what it was
Neal: Ok, you’re acting like this is normal.
In other words, the whole concept of a flying monkey is not normal–an aberration with which Neal is unfamiliar. And then Belle has to say that it is normal, just not here. To me Neal was shocked at the whole idea of a flying monkey, not the idea that the monkey was in the EF.
Neal knows about Oz culturally (red slippers which were only introduced in the 1939 movie) but not practically or else he would have known that flying monkeys exist in Oz for real.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neal knew about the Blood tie or what ever it was called, he knew about the crystal ball and how that worked. Neal is actually 200 plus years old
so for 200 years he had to be some where.Don’t know what blood magic has to do with it–we’ve only see in it the EF, nowhere else. Neal didn’t know how to use the Crystal Ball–Mulan had to instruct him how to use it because the first time he tried, it didn’t work. It was Mulan who managed to help him. Timeline wise, Neal is about 150-200. He was in NL as a 15 yr old, frozen in time, until he left and landed in our World in 1991, thus making his DOB on his wanted poster 1977.
Rumple was between 40 hen he became the Dark One. He’s admitted to being around 300 years old. So, that means his curse happened around 260 years ago. Bae was 14 at this time which means Bae is around 274 years old. Only a few months had gone by when Bae first went through the Vortex and he had only spent 6 months in Victorian England so he was still 14 when he arrived in our world, Emma’s world.
On Neals wanted poster he listed his DOB as March 21, 1977. Emma showed up as a newborn in 1983, so Neal is 6 years older than Emma which puts him @ 22 when Emma was 16.
Neal maybe didn’t know how to used the Crystal Ball but the point is that he KNEW ABOUT the Crystal Ball. Rumple only acquired that from Jefferson’s visit and that centuries after Bae had left home. So only way Neal could have known about the Crystal Ball and what it could do was from having been in OZ himself. Have to wonder how he even knew his father had it.
A blood lock was used twice. In the EF around Cora’s crypt and again in SB around Cora’s office when she and Emma were trying to smoke out Z.
Nothing has been confirmed that Neal has or hasn’t been to OZ yet.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
He’s admitted to being around 300 years old.
When? Jane said he’s about 300 but actually the timeline works a lot better if he’s only around 200ish. Time works concurrently in our land and the EF so when Bae left and landed in Victorian London, then it has to be about the same time in the EF.
On Neals wanted poster he listed his DOB as March 21, 1977. Emma showed up as a newborn in 1983, so Neal is 6 years older than Emma which puts him @ 22 when Emma was 16.
What I’m saying is that he landed in our world again when he was 15, he needed a birthday that would match that age. So 1977+15 = 1991. He landed in 1991.
Neal maybe didn’t know how to used the Crystal Ball but the point is that he KNEW ABOUT the Crystal Ball. Rumple only acquired that from Jefferson’s visit and that centuries after Bae had left home. So only way Neal could have known about the Crystal Ball and what it could do was from having been in OZ himself. Have to wonder how he even knew his father had it.
And it could just be knowledge culturally. Neal didn’t know what he was looking for, just that Rumple must have had something in his possession that might help him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"RC has admitted several times that Rumple is around 300 years old. Now, if Jane Espenson has also confirmed this, it makes Rumple being 300 canon. That timeline along with both Rumple & Bae’s ages were established over more than a year ago. Seeing as Bae gave a dob of March 21, 1977, that would make him 14 on March 21, 1991, not 15.
While crystal balls may have been common knowledge, Neal knew EXACTLY what he was looking for at his father’s castle. Sorry, but I can’t be convinced that he didn’t know something about OZ, where it had come from or the fact that his father was now in possession of it.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
RC has admitted several times that Rumple is around 300 years old. Now, if Jane Espenson has also confirmed this, it makes Rumple being 300 canon. That timeline along with both Rumple & Bae’s ages were established over more than a year ago. Seeing as Bae gave a dob of March 21, 1977, that would make him 14 on March 21, 1991, not 15.
I know I’m just saying that it doesn’t actually fit within timeline (waits for Keb to come along and explain better than I can)
I’m not wholly bothered by one year…14..15. Not a big difference for me.
While crystal balls may have been common knowledge, Neal knew EXACTLY what he was looking for at his father’s castle. Sorry, but I can’t be convinced that he didn’t know something about OZ, where it had come from or the fact that his father was now in possession of it.
I didn’t say he didn’t know anything about Oz. Clearly he does–but I’m suggesting it’s culturally not life experience. He knows ruby slippers exist as portal makers but that’s from the movie, not actually being in Oz and knowing Dorothy because we *know* they can’t use the ruby slippers. He knows that the Crystal Ball might help him because the WWW used it in the movie to see Dorothy and then show Dorothy Auntie Em but has no idea how to use it, try though he might. So it doesn’t necessarily mean that he spent time in Oz. Especially if he landed in our world at 14 or 15. He was frozen in NL and then landed here at the same age. So either he spent less than a year in Oz or none at all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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