Neverland

[clockwatcher]

Second Star To The Right was awesome!

But… is there a plot hole, or are we missing something?

When Neal met his father and confirmed that he knew Hook and how to control the ship, he said that our world wasn’t the first world he came to from the bean hole. But in this episode, he comes out in our world, and goes to Neverland from here.

I don’t feel like the writers would make this big of a mistake. Any thoughts?

[snowcharming]

I thought he said that he said that our world was not his only stop not necessarily that it was not his first stop when he left EF. He could have traveled to never land after our world and then returned.

[RumplesGirl]

Emma: So you know Hook?

Neal: It’s a long story. Short version, is this world wasn’t my first stop when I left home.

Emma: No?

Neal: If it was, I’d be a couple hundred years old by now.

Last week, before SSTR aired, a lot of us were trying to make sense of this knowing that Bae landed in London first (we all watched the 8 min preview of the first act). Sorry to say we still don’t have an answer.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MysteryKat25]

This was my issue before because I was such a big proponent of him going to Neverland and everybody said there’s no way he did because it’s a land without magic.

Then this week, everything I said about him coming here first and then getting transported to Neverland, just like Wendy and everyone else in the stories of Peter Pan, is shown and makes perfect sense OTHER than the fact that he made some weird comment about it earlier on.

All season long I’ve been fighting for Neverland because it DOES make sense that he came here first and then went there because we know how people from London travelled back and forth in that story. There wasn’t anything that didn’t make that possible from the traditional Peter Pan story.

But now we have it and it’s still confusing! If it weren’t for that one stupid line of NealFire’s it would all be fine because it would make sense. The only way it doesn’t is if it’s some alternate version of London but then how the heck does that fit in with anything?

Who wrote the episode with that line in it? I swear somebody just didn’t catch it and thought they were being so clever hinting at Neverland without realizing that they were actually contradicting earlier stuff and that he did come here ever so briefly before going to Neverland.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[RumplesGirl]

Daniel Thomson and David Goodman wrote The Queen is Dead where this line came from.
This is the first episode they wrote together this season, but each of them have written other episodes with other people.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheGoldenKey]

Agreed Kat. Perhaps the line should have said “wasn’t my ONLY stop”. Just one more teeny tiny thing to make us go crazy throughout the summer hiatus 🙂 Which brings us back to him also saying he is a couple of hundred years old. We are missing years here as well, but that’s another discussion for the other thread dealing with Bae & Wendy’s timeline.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[MysteryKat25]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Agreed Kat. Perhaps the line should have said “wasn’t my ONLY stop”. Just one more teeny tiny thing to make us go crazy throughout the summer hiatus 🙂 Which brings us back to him also saying he is a couple of hundred years old. We are missing years here as well, but that’s another discussion for the other thread dealing with Bae & Wendy’s timeline.

Ah, THAT was the thread I was looking for to explain some of the stuff that came up in the livechat about the timeline. Thanks! (Short version: supposedly somebody said it was the 19th century he landed in which means sometime in the 1800s which means the portal probably worked like the others have so far and he didn’t miss any years, just landed. The main issue with this is it still LOOKS like early 1900s and then of course there’s Big Ben being in existence which ALSO leads it to be early 1900s. *cue head-scratching*)

I agree that it should have been wasn’t the ONLY stop, that would have made FAR more sense. (They should know by now how we overanalyze stuff, how did they miss that?).

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[TheGoldenKey]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Agreed Kat. Perhaps the line should have said “wasn’t my ONLY stop”. Just one more teeny tiny thing to make us go crazy throughout the summer hiatus 🙂 Which brings us back to him also saying he is a couple of hundred years old. We are missing years here as well, but that’s another discussion for the other thread dealing with Bae & Wendy’s timeline.

Ah, THAT was the thread I was looking for to explain some of the stuff that came up in the livechat about the timeline. Thanks! (Short version: supposedly somebody said it was the 19th century he landed in which means sometime in the 1800s which means the portal probably worked like the others have so far and he didn’t miss any years, just landed. The main issue with this is it still LOOKS like early 1900s and then of course there’s Big Ben being in existence which ALSO leads it to be early 1900s. *cue head-scratching*)

I agree that it should have been wasn’t the ONLY stop, that would have made FAR more sense. (They should know by now how we overanalyze stuff, how did they miss that?).

I believe he landed at the turn of the century, coming into the 20th century. Peter Pan is first seen in The Little White Bird (also known as Adventures in Kensington Gardens) and this book was written in 1902. The stage play, Peter Pan, was written in 2004, followed by 3 others, up until 1911. So, Bae would have appeared in London, back around 110 years ago. 🙂

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Phee]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

If it weren’t for that one stupid line of NealFire’s it would all be fine because it would make sense. The only way it doesn’t is if it’s some alternate version of London but then how the heck does that fit in with anything?

In the spoiler forum somewhere I pondered if maybe it was a FictionalLondon in a FictionalEngland in a FictionalCopyOfOurWorld. In other words, where all the non-magical, real world storybook characters live, just like all the characters from fairytales live in their own separate world, and characters from sci-fi have their own separate world. Then he could have gone to a land without magic, but still not have come to our world first. But there was nothing in the ep, and I haven’t heard anything said from an official source, that supports that idea. So we’re just stuck wondering about Nealfire’s lie, and frankly, it’s really bugging me. 😕

[MysteryKat25]

I’ve been going around and around on it because Daniel said that somebody (can’t remember who) confirmed it was 19th century but that doesn’t jive with anything else unless this FictionalLondon is like…100 years ahead of real London.And in that case, how does Wendy get out of FictionalLondon and then potentially be the head of the Home Office like some are theorizing?

Things just aren’t adding up! It’s bad enough that Neverland time is so different to real world time but if real world isn’t real world then a) they need to explain that better and fill it in somewhere, like if Neal and Emma ever get to really sit down and talk about the timeline, or if perhaps Hook tells Emma all that he knows of young Bae and what he may have told Hook at the time etc (or we could see young Bae telling Hook). Something, give me SOMETHING that makes sense.

I fought so long to explain that Peter can take people from London to Neverland and London is in our world back when they didn’t understand how he was still alive and then they go and throw this at me? When we’re so close to proving NealFire Pan exists?!? *sigh*

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

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