New Casting Call

[RumplesGirl]

Oh. One more thing. Cora obviously broke the deal with Rumple and somehow got him to agree to teach her magic. But–and this has bothered me for some time–Rumple has an odd habit of introducing himself. He tells people his name. Which is obviously totally outside the original fairy tale. So if his name isn’t what Cora finds to break the deal, then what? Could the dagger be making a reappearance? We know that if someone who is not the Dark One wields it, they control the Dark One. I really think Cora knows about the dagger and this might be one way that she found out about it. Instead of guessing his name, she found the dagger and somehow controlled/manipulated Rumple into relinquishing his hold on Regina and at the same time teach Cora magic. That’s the new deal: no Regina and teach me magic, and in return I’ll let you live and give back your dagger. Rumple agrees to this-he has no choice really–but once the deal is complete, he manages to find the loop hole: he leaves Regina alone for now, but takes the kingdom from Henry and Cora.

[rcz]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Spoiler TV had revealed new casting calls for 2×16

For episode 2×16, the guest role of “King Xavier” is being cast. he’s 45, has a mean sense of humor, and worries about being able to maintain his extravagant lifestyle since gold has become more scarce in his kingdom.

Also being cast is the co-star role of a 20-something “Prince Henry” (Regina’s father as a young man), whose marriage could change King Xavier’s fortunes. http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/01/once-upon-time-episode-216-roles-being.html

I’m thinking that “Prince Henry” could be a young King George, whose kingdom was always short of funds. Needing money, he was bothered to marry the miller’s daughter (aka Cora), who was said to be able to spin straw into gold. Of course, she couldn’t, and so she made a deal with Rumplestiltskin to trade her first-born, Regina, for the aid of the dark one.

Loved this idea 😀 ! With that happening, everything would fall into place: Cora’s connection to Rumple, Regina, and the original Rumplestilsken story! Brilliant!

[Grimmsister]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

–Rumple has an odd habit of introducing himself. He tells people his name. Which is obviously totally outside the original fairy tale. So if his name isn’t what Cora finds to break the deal, then what? Could the dagger be making a reappearance? We know that if someone who is not the Dark One wields it, they control the Dark One. I really think Cora knows about the dagger and this might be one way that she found out about it. Instead of guessing his name, she found the dagger and somehow controlled/manipulated Rumple into relinquishing his hold on Regina and at the same time teach Cora magic. That’s the new deal: no Regina and teach me magic, and in return I’ll let you live and give back your dagger. Rumple agrees to this-he has no choice really–but once the deal is complete, he manages to find the loop hole: he leaves Regina alone for now, but takes the kingdom from Henry and Cora.

Yes Yes Yes!! I think you are right on this one. The dagger is Rumples secret. as opposed to his name being the secret in the old fairytale. Plus the name being written on the dagger and everything. Uh! I like this a lot 😀
I can hardly wait to see these two episodes. Gods! they are going to ROCK 😀

[midnight dreary]

Good lord this episode is going to rock. :ugeek:

[Myril]

@medchen wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

–Rumple has an odd habit of introducing himself. He tells people his name. Which is obviously totally outside the original fairy tale. So if his name isn’t what Cora finds to break the deal, then what? Could the dagger be making a reappearance? We know that if someone who is not the Dark One wields it, they control the Dark One. I really think Cora knows about the dagger and this might be one way that she found out about it. Instead of guessing his name, she found the dagger and somehow controlled/manipulated Rumple into relinquishing his hold on Regina and at the same time teach Cora magic. That’s the new deal: no Regina and teach me magic, and in return I’ll let you live and give back your dagger. Rumple agrees to this-he has no choice really–but once the deal is complete, he manages to find the loop hole: he leaves Regina alone for now, but takes the kingdom from Henry and Cora.

Yes Yes Yes!! I think you are right on this one. The dagger is Rumples secret. as opposed to his name being the secret in the old fairytale. Plus the name being written on the dagger and everything. Uh! I like this a lot 😀
I can hardly wait to see these two episodes. Gods! they are going to ROCK 😀

Hmmm. Doesn’t sound to me like the Cora we now know. Why should she have given up the power coming with controlling the Dark One?

Agree with you though, that the dagger is the secret, not so much the name per se. It takes the dagger and the name to control the Dark One (or so it sounded in the episode in which Rumple became the Dark One).

Interesting was though: When Regina asked, how her mother became like that, her father Henry tells her about that man, wo brought magic to Cora. He says, Cora never told him the name. Regina finds it in the book. (episode 2×02)

Another thing I noticed while rewatching episode 2×02 We are Both: Henry sr. says, that Cora knew that man (aka Rumple) before they met.

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[Phee]

I think it’s still his name that’s the secret, and the key to Cora getting out of the deal, because otherwise Henry Sr would have known it, but his name wasn’t common knowledge until years later. I think it’ll just be that Cora (or a spy for her) sees it written on the dagger, instead of hearing Rumple singing about it as he dances around a fire as in the traditional story.

[Grimmsister]

It could work with the dagger. Perhabs this way:
Cora want to marry up. She meets Rumple and he agrees to help her with that. Maybe her family doesn’t have a lot of money, so Rumple gives her gold so she can seem like a ‘high class’ kind of gal. She ends up meeting Prince Henry and they marry(Henry is not told about Rumple yet ofcourse), then when they have Regina, Rumple shows up and claims her as his price for helping Cora (pretty much like the cinderella story)
Cora is devastated she will do anything to keep Rumple from getting her daughter.
Then there are several ways I can see it play out- One is that she goes to find Rumple to try and kill him, she has been told, or found out somehow, that The Dark One can only be killed with his own dagger, she finds the dagger but Rumple, who doesn’t want to die, tells her he will give her power, he will teach her magic, if she gives him back his dagger. Well knowing that as long as Cora has the dagger she controlls his own power, but he doesn’t tell her that ofcourse. The terms are also that she keeps her daughter.
And then somehow Rumple ends up getting all the gold and the fortunes of the Kingdom. Can’t quite figure that one out right now. Anybody have a guess??

[RumplesGirl]

I just posted my response to this in the thread over in The Queen is Dead since I checked that one first (my bad…) but I’ll put it here too.

Yeah, I can’t answer this. lol. I admit it’s a huge hole for this whole “dagger” theory. But I don’t think it’s his name either just because Rumple always introduces himself, which is strange. If Cora found the dagger, made the deal for magic she may have thought she’d be powerful enough to take him on once she gave back the dagger. And we do know she and Rumple are almost equal in power; Rumple admitted that their fight was a close one in “Into the Deep.” Cora could have kept the dagger and controlled the Dark One but it would have meant that there would always be one person more powerful than her, which I think would have occurred to her and trouble her. She could have killed him and become the Dark One, but Cora’s so vain that she may not have wanted to be green? (I’m stretching a bit here, I know 🙂 )

Phee: the idea that his name hadn’t become common knowledge. I don’t know about this. Because weren’t there “whispers of a man” waaaaaay back in season one in FTL of the past right before the curse? It seems like his name becomes less common as time goes on. But whenever Rumple himself meets someone, he does his whole bow/introduction thing. He did this with Regina in 2×02 and Hook in 2×04 when he challenged him to a duel. Didn’t he do it with Cinderella too in 1×04? I don’t recall him introducing himself to Belle in Skin Deep but she did know his name. The Dark One becomes more mysterious and more mythical as time goes on, but Rumple never hides his name. And if they were to follow the original fairy tale, saying his name (which is the key to his power) should have robbed him of his power so at this point, he should be long gone given that everyone from Milah to Cora to Regina to Snow to Belle, ect. have said his name. Which leads me back to the dagger because that’s his true secret. He goes to great lengths (like murdering his and Bae’s servant in The Return for even just MAYBE seeing the dagger) to protect that secret. That’s why I think the real twist in his fairy tale for H and K will be replacing his name with the dagger.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Is the “whispers of a man” bit you’re thinking of when Red told Snow about him? I wasn’t sure if his name was mentioned there, so I looked up the transcript:
Red: Well, there are whispers. Whispers of a man who can achieve even the most unholy of requests. A man who can do what you ask.

Snow White: Who is this man?

Then when Snow goes to see him:
Snow White: So you’re Rumpelstiltskin?

Rumpelstiltskin: Indeed, I am.

So his name was in use by then, if Red knew it to tell to Snow. But it wasn’t common knowledge before Regina met him. If it was, Henry Sr wouldn’t have made a point of saying he didn’t know his name, and Regina wouldn’t have had to steal the spell book to find his name out.

Back in the day, before he was the Dark One, everyone obviously knew his name. Then he became the Dark One, and as his reputation grew, everyone mostly called him “The Dark One” and so over the next couple hundred years, his actual name was eventually forgotten, as all those who had known him by that name died out. So by the time of his dealings with Cora, I think that his name had become redundant and forgotten. Then some years later, around the time he began dealings with Regina, his name started to be used again. Just went and had a quick look at the transcript for The Doctor and Regina uses his name in front of Jefferson, who later uses the name too, so it was starting to be used again around that time. By the time they had him locked up in the Pilot, the guard was calling out his name, so it was certainly no secret by that point. But I maintain that it had to have been secret at some point, just because Henry Sr of all people would have known it if that bit of info had leaked out. It wouldn’t have been a big secret that Regina had to discover by stealing the spell book.

[RumplesGirl]

With regards to Henry Sr: my question is WHY would have Cora told Henry Sr Rumple’s name?? If we are correct that Henry is the Prince Cora will marry after spinning straw into gold, as in the original fairy tale, I don’t know why Cora would reveal that it wasn’t her to make the gold. Her whole marriage to the Prince is based on this one moment where she proves she can spin straw into gold. I don’t think Cora would throw that away by telling her new husband about the man who really did it. He may have known that Rumple taught her magic, but not about the gold and not his name.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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