New Villain Cast For Second Half of Season 3

[RumplesGirl]

Lets start guessing now… how do you think she’ll be added into Henry’s family tree? It’s bound to happen XD

Regina’s aunt. She’s one of Henry Sr’s sisters 🙂 Which makes her Henry’s..great aunt!

[kfchimera]

lol Kranen you beat me to it.

Let’ s see, I am going to go with she’s Snow’s aunt, Eva’s sister.  Since they had the “slippers” line about Eva and Eva was good (when she got older) maybe she is one of the witches, and this new villain is Glinda the evil sister mashed into the Wicked Witch of the West (so both characters).

So that makes her Emma’s grandaunt.

Though I think we really need more of Charming’s family so what if she’s Charmigng’s aunt instead, his father’s sister?

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[MysteryKat25]

If it is connected to Charming’s side, there’s a slight Oz connection to the name Ruth. A woman by the name of Ruth Plumly Thompson continued to write Oz books after the death of L. Frank Baum.

From what I’ve been able to find, many of her books still credited L. Frank Baum so some titles in some locations come up with both names. I’m a bit unclear as to all of this and it could be a stretch, but we did have Whale as a nod to Frankenstein so…anything is possible.

I really want to know what Charming’s father’s name is though. Ruth, David, and James are all Biblical names but I feel like there’s more of a connection to something else and we didn’t get hardly anything on his dad other than that they gave up James to King George. Literally the only things we know is that “true love follows this ring” that Ruth passed down to David who found TL with Snow, and that a gypsy made Ruth’s special necklace that can predict the gender of a future child. Where did she get all these things? How does it all tie in? (Of course gypsy makes one think of Esmerelda but the only person we’ve seen matching that description was killed rather quickly by Regina during her magic training days). So where does the dad fit in?

It wouldn’t surprise me if she is somehow related to Henry though (since everyone seems to be these days!). I agree that we need more on Charming’s side but it’s definitely possible it could be from Snow’s as well. I completely forgot we had another slippers reference. Then there was that weird thing about Rumple taking Snow’s necklace for “wasting his time” – did she say that was her mother’s? I can’t remember what if anything was said about it.

I don’t think it matches the one Rebecca is wearing at all but it could be a connection somehow. It seemed rather odd and we know Rumple doesn’t just grab things by happenstance, there’s usually a point to it.

Just throwing things out to see what sticks!

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[RumplesGirl]

Though I think we really need more of Charming’s family so what if she’s Charmigng’s aunt instead, his father’s sister?

Good idea. Charming needs more family outside of Snow.

I really want to know what Charming’s father’s name is though. Ruth, David, and James are all Biblical names but I feel like there’s more of a connection to something else and we didn’t get hardly anything on his dad other than that they gave up James to King George. Literally the only things we know is that “true love follows this ring” that Ruth passed down to David who found TL with Snow, and that a gypsy made Ruth’s special necklace that can predict the gender of a future child. Where did she get all these things? How does it all tie in? (Of course gypsy makes one think of Esmerelda but the only person we’ve seen matching that description was killed rather quickly by Regina during her magic training days). So where does the dad fit in?

If I had to guess his father’s name it would be Jesse.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheWatcher]

I agree. I’m betting the fathers name is Jesse to go along with the biblical aspect of it all.

As for the woman, I think it will be nice if she is Rumps mother. That way, her and Pan reunite in awful villainous duo for revenge 🙂

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[CrownedWithLaurels]

kfchimera wrote: Though I think we really need more of Charming’s family so what if she’s Charmigng’s aunt instead, his father’s sister?

Good idea. Charming needs more family outside of Snow.

MysteryKat25 wrote: I really want to know what Charming’s father’s name is though. Ruth, David, and James are all Biblical names but I feel like there’s more of a connection to something else and we didn’t get hardly anything on his dad other than that they gave up James to King George. Literally the only things we know is that “true love follows this ring” that Ruth passed down to David who found TL with Snow, and that a gypsy made Ruth’s special necklace that can predict the gender of a future child. Where did she get all these things? How does it all tie in? (Of course gypsy makes one think of Esmerelda but the only person we’ve seen matching that description was killed rather quickly by Regina during her magic training days). So where does the dad fit in?

If I had to guess his father’s name it would be Jesse.

 

Because of the nod to David the Shepherd, I always assumed they used Ruth because both Ruth and David in the Bible were in the lineage of Jesus. The lineage of the “Savior”. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they did a double wammy on the name. I was just thinking the other day about another name they had two connections for, but I can’t remember who it was! I need to start taking notes when I do random Once thinking.

Really digging the Charming family theory.

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[WickedRegal]

Out of all the worlds…where could the new witch have come from???? OZ!!!!

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[killianhookfan]

That was the other thing that struck me – Ruth said that a gypsey gave her mother the necklace.  In the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie wasn’t the “Wizard’s” alter ego a gypsy?  Doesn’t Dorothy meet him when she runs away from home and then he comes back to check on her after she “returns” home from her dream?  With all the new villian talk and the costume similarities to Mrs. Gulch, that line about the necklace stuck out to me.  So maybe the Oz storyline is on Charming’s side of the family?  Maybe Dorothy was his Grandmother who received the necklace from the “Wizard/Gypsey” and then he would therefore have family ties to the Wicked Witch even if he isn’t directly related to her.  However, knowing how this show goes we will probably find out that the Wicked Witch married one of Dorothy’s uncles – who would be the Tin Man, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion which would therefore make Charming related to the Wicked Witch and would, once again, add even more complexity to poor Henry’s family tree.  Maybe Henry has the heart of the truest believer because he is somehow related to flippin’ every fairy tale character every created!!  I do like the idea of Eva as either Dorothy or the Wicked Witch of the East since, I believe, someone pointed out she was wearing Red Shoes in the Miller’s Daughter.

[RumplesGirl]

That was the other thing that struck me – Ruth said that a gypsey gave her mother the necklace. In the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie wasn’t the “Wizard’s” alter ego a gypsy?

Sort of. “Professor Marvel” who went around in a caravan, I suppose doing things like crystal ball readings.

He has quite a few things we associate with gypsies or wandering performers nowadays, like the crystal ball, the turban, the constant traveling.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Also, for those who haven’t seen Oz the Great and Powerful, that necklace wasn’t just a fashion accesory. She drew her power from just as Glinda drew it from her wand and Theodora from her ruby ring. *SPOILER ALERT* When Glinda snatches the necklace off, it breaks the spell that hid the way she really looked. She was so wicked that she was an old ugly yellow hag, while her sister was a green (and much more attractive) green witch >> so if they saw her in some sort of costume and she is the witch of the east, I’m sure they saw her like that. Yellow, and haggy

Yep. I couldn’t remember the details but remembered that each of them had an object they got their powers from, so googled to give myself a refresher and BOOM, emerald pendant that looks similar to what Rebecca’s wearing, and my that-cannot-be-a-coincidence-Oncer-spidey-senses had a little freak out. LOL It’s not necessarily the same exact thing here though. If the Onceiverse is gonna have the East and West witches be separate characters, and if Rebecca’s playing one of them, West is far more likely, because she’s the better known/characterised of the two, and as some of you have pointed out, that costume looks Gulch-ish. So maybe that thing she’s wearing did belong to her sister, but it didn’t get destroyed like it did in Oz Great & Powerful. Maybe East’s body died, but this pendant still contains her powers, and so West is keeping it safe.

Let’ s see, I am going to go with she’s Snow’s aunt, Eva’s sister. Since they had the “slippers” line about Eva and Eva was good (when she got older) maybe she is one of the witches, and this new villain is Glinda the evil sister mashed into the Wicked Witch of the West (so both characters).

So that makes her Emma’s grandaunt.

Here’s the thing I cut and pasted together the last time this slippers topic was discussed, (image on the left is an illustration from the original book, on the right is Eva’s “slippers”)…

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