New Villain Cast For Second Half of Season 3

[TheWatcher]

Hold on a minute 😮 Rumpels ring!!! Remember that the ring Rumpel wears some times changed color?? In Oz The Great and whatever, Theodoras ruby ring glowed red whenever she used magic. This ring is what people believe is what she used to fashion the ruby slippers for her sister after the pendant was broken… Wonder if Rumpels ring has anything to do with this.

[Phee]

I think either Bobby or Kitswitz (or maybe it was even Jane? I’m sure someone has mentioned it) has said in the past that Rumple’s ring is just a ring…for now…but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t become something at a later date.

[RumplesGirl]

I think either Bobby or Kitswitz (or maybe it was even Jane? I’m sure someone has mentioned it) has said in the past that Rumple’s ring is just a ring…for now…but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t become something at a later date.

Yes they have. And I have my own headcanon about why he wears it, but I’m not sure they’re going to bring it in with this. Oz the G and P wasn’t a huge success so can they/would they draw from it? Does it follow the Oz books?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MysteryKat25]

Some of it follows the books I think. Sadly I have not read them all (they’re on my “homework” list over the break), but I know having China Girl and her little town of fragile people/houses was a part of Oz that we didn’t get to see in The Wizard of Oz but that was part of the books. I think fans of the original movie would be rather shocked at some of the things that are in the books just cause they’re so different and sometimes a little odd.

I have a feeling that’s why the newer movie didn’t do all that great, because it wasn’t the Oz people were expecting but they couldn’t have it match the first entirely. I think it was alright, I enjoyed it for what it was and liked the nods back to the iconic things that they could use. We’re just more used to seeing the poppy fields and the Emerald City so it was interesting to see more of that and get some backstory on the Wizard and the witches, but I think there was a huge disconnect because of the differences.

That said, they *might* pull in a little bit from it and I expect them to try to pull some references from the books and hopefully it’s not the super obscure ones unless it has a good reason for it but as far as anything that happens with the characters we’re used to, it would have to be from the book versions. On the bright side, that means the characters still exist? I’m not sure how they were depicted in the books though. It’s a dicey/annoying situation because obviously they’d do better sticking closer to the movie (minus the dream part because in the books it wasn’t a dream, and obviously in OUAT I expect it to be a real thing as well), but we just don’t know.

Thanks for the pics Phee – I forgot all about Eva’s slippers!

As for the ring, I think Rumple’s is *supposedly* just a ring.  A prop that he picked if I recall.

Jewelry from the recent movie – *SPOILERS FOR THE MOVIE* Evanora is seen wearing all green and she has a green amulet but she’s the witch from the East and is very powerful and turns her sister Theodora (who seems sweet and is seen wearing a lot of bright colors including red) into the green Wicked Witch of the West that we’re used to seeing. It was to match her pain on the inside and make the wizard feel bad about how much he hurt her.

So seeing the actress in Gulch-ish clothes but wearing a green amulet…I’m torn! I think it kinda has to be West because of the iconic music etc. Unless they somehow combine her or make it as something she held onto from her sister (I honestly can’t remember what happened to Evanora’s so who knows). She seems so…normal right now though. Can she change it at will? Has she fully become the wicked witch yet or is she in the process of doing so right now? I don’t think the pics we’ve seen can be from flashbacks (weren’t they at the SB town hall?) so I’m just not sure. I know Regina said something about using too much magic can turn your skin green though, I do remember that. So it probably works differently here anyway.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[Phee]

Oz the G and P wasn’t a huge success so can they/would they draw from it? Does it follow the Oz books?

I think they technically could, because it’s Disney, but I dunno that they’d copy anything exactly. Still, I’ll bet they watched it and made notes of ideas that might inspire their own. I’m not that familiar with the details of the Oz books, but this movie doesn’t have a Dorothy, it’s like the prequel to Dorothy’s story, setting up how the Wizard got there and who the Witches are. Plot summary…

In 1905 Kansas, Oscar “Oz” Diggs works as a small-time magician in a traveling circus. As a storm approaches, the circus strongman learns Oscar has flirted with his wife and goes after him. Oscar escapes in a hot air balloon, but is sucked into a tornado that takes him to the Land of Oz. There he encounters the beautiful yet naive witch Theodora, who believes him to be a wizard prophesied to destroy the Wicked Witch who killed the King of Oz. En route to the Emerald City, Theodora falls in love with Oscar. They encounter the flying monkey Finley, who pledges a life debt to Oscar when he saves Finley from a lion.

At the Emerald City, Oscar meets Theodora’s sister Evanora, who tells him the Wicked Witch resides in the Dark Forest and can be killed by destroying her wand, the source of her powers. Oscar and Finley are joined en route to the forest by China Girl, a young, living china doll whose village and family were destroyed by the Wicked Witch. The three reach the forest and, upon retrieving the wand, discover the “Wicked Witch” is Glinda the Good Witch, who tells them Evanora is the real Wicked Witch. Evanora sees this with her crystal ball and manipulates Theodora against Oscar, falsely claiming he is trying to court all three witches. She offers the heartbroken Theodora a magic apple she says will remove her heartache. Theodora bites it and changes into a green-skinned Wicked Witch.

Glinda brings Oscar’s group to her domain in Oz to escape Evanora’s army of Winkies and flying baboons. She confides to Oscar that she knows he is not a wizard. However, she still believes he can help stop Evanora, and provides him an “army” of Quadlings, tinkers, and Munchkins. Theodora enters Glinda’s domain and angrily reveals her new, hideous appearance to Oscar before threatening to kill him and his allies with the Emerald City’s well-prepared army. Oscar despairs of his chances, but after telling China Girl about the exploits of his hero Thomas Edison, he realizes they can fight using prestidigitation.

Glinda and her subjects mount a mock attack on the Wicked Witches’ castle using a pulley-rig army of scarecrows blanketed by thick fog. The witches are tricked into sending their flying baboons through a poppy field that puts them to sleep. However, two baboons manage to capture Glinda, who is brought to the city square and enchained. Meanwhile, Oscar infiltrates the Emerald City with his allies, only to seemingly abandon them in a hot air balloon loaded with gold, which Theodora destroys with a fireball. Oscar then secretly reveals himself to his friends, having faked his death. Using a hidden smoke machine and image projector, he presents a giant, holographic image of his face as his “true” form, and a fireworks display to attack and intimidate the Wicked Witches. Evanora fearfully hides in her castle while Theodora flees on her broom, unable to hurt the “invincible” wizard. China Girl frees Glinda, who defeats Evanora, destroying the Wicked Witch’s emerald necklace that hides her true, crone-like appearance. The banished Evanora is carried off by the two remaining flying baboons.

Oscar, now King of Oz, uses his projector to sustain the belief he is a powerful wizard. He also presents gifts to his friends: Master Tinker, who helped build his machines, receives Oscar’s camping-tool jackknife; Knuck, the grumpy Munchkin herald, receives a mask with a smiley face; the long-suffering Finley receives Oscar’s friendship along with his top hat; and China Girl accepts her friends as her new family. Finally, Oscar takes Glinda behind the curtains of his projector and kisses her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oz_the_Great_and_Powerful#Plot

[RumplesGirl]

I think, given what ONCE tends to do, if they are going to pull from anything not of the book it’s going to be the 1938 movie. It’s the thing that most people think of when you say Wizard of Oz. Second to that is Wicked. Most people probably haven’t read the entire Oz corpus, I know I haven’t. But you better believe I can quote the Judy Garland movie. And while A and E do their homework, at the end of the day it’s about appealing to the largest group you possibly can. Thus, their spin on Ariel’s story and character is basically DISNEY. She’s got her red hair, her purple bra, she steals things, she’s got a fork and her Prince is Eric. Yes the HCA tale is depressing as all heck, but there wasn’t a whole lot drawn from that at all. They went with what people expected when you say Ariel: The Little Mermaid.

Look at the way Mader is costumed: it’s a modern Gulch. If she HAD been Cruella, she’d be decked out in furs and her hair would be all sorts of crazy. You have to give your audience some points of reference.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Kelli Adkins]

kranen wrote:

Lets start guessing now… how do you think she’ll be added into Henry’s family tree? It’s bound to happen XD

Regina’s aunt. She’s one of Henry Sr’s sisters Which makes her Henry’s..great aunt!

Or Rumple’s mother. That is one of my crack theories about the Wicked Witch of the West or someone else from Oz is Rumple’s mother.

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[MysteryKat25]

The problem is that if it wasn’t in the book, they CAN’T pull from the 1939 movie. It’s an MGM thing, not Disney – hence the major problems unfortunately. Thankfully the characters we know and love from that movie exist in the books with (I think) the same gist of the storyline (minus the dream aspect, though I think Dorothy was supposed to be younger?), but unless they get the rights from MGM (which I doubt they’ll do since the books are public domain as well as the recent movie belonging to Disney, so I think we’re stuck with book stuff.

I agree with sticking closer to the Disney movies on most things. It’s definitely the safer option and it’s the version of the stories that we’re most familiar with and can identify with, especially with the more beloved of them. They changed Aurora and Cinderella is practically non-existant, but for the most part, they kept the more recent ones at least looking the same and with several good nods to the movies that we know and love because they’re Disney. Mulan isn’t technically right so I hesitate to say “close enough” because that would be offensive but she’s still Asian. Ariel & Belle maintained most of the stuff we would expect of them.

Sadly they really can’t use too much from the movie or from Wicked so they’ll have to work around that somehow. I definitely think that she’s in a more modern/younger Gulch-type outfit. Now if we only caught her riding a bike…

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[TheWatcher]

Well lets consider this… If she so Cruella,maybe her curse was to be unfashionable. No furs, no style. She walks around dressed as a frigid woman from the 1930’s. Cruella would hate that… But then again, I’m prepared to ser Cruella in Fictional London rather than the enchanted forest. I doubt the curse pulled her from there

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[killianhookfan]

So I just read an interesting tidbit on a law firm’s website that explained how Disney got around the legal issues of the green skinned witch in Oz the Great and Powerful.  It seems that Warner Brothers owns anything that isn’t in the Oz books but as long as Disney changes things so that they don’t exactly match the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie, all is good.  To get around the green skin issue they used a different color green and actually named the color and used the name of the witch in the movie as part of the name of the color.  So I’m guessing if the Wicked Witch is going to be green on OUaT they will use the exact same make-up.

So it sounds like they would be fine having her be a Mrs. Gulch-like person in SB, they just can’t call her that.  She can wear similar clothes but not the exact same clothes (which is what we have seen in the pictures).

So based on what I read I don’t see a problem with them doing the Wicked Witch of the West.  Disney has already been down this road (no pun intended) so know exactly what to do to get around all the legal issues.

I am terrible at linking stuff but the info was on the Keller Law Firm website and I think I googled Wicked Witch of the West lawsuit or something like that.

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