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December 9, 2013 at 4:35 am #229044PheeParticipant
I said this in the promo thread for 311 as well, but I’m wondering if that green smoke might be the coming of the WWW?
About how Cora could maybe play into this Oz speculation…I think I could see WWW being Cora’s sister. Could also be her mother, I suppose, but I don’t really want another storyline where a parent/grandparent doesn’t look the right age, so please don’t make Regina the same age as her grandmother. Some age tweaking would be necessary if she was Regina’s aunt as well, but it wouldn’t be quite as extreme. Either way, they could say that the pendant is what keeps her looking younger than she is, and it’d fill in one of the extra spots on Henry’s family tree we’re supposed to be getting.
Maybe Cora had a younger sister, who got away from the mill, went off to Oz to become a powerful witch, and that played into Cora’s drive to become powerful herself. If Cora was pre-disposed to magical ability at all, then a sister would have been as well.
Haven’t they said they’d love to have Rose McGowan back if the story allowed for it?
So I guess, if Mader is the WWW, and if they wanna go with Oz Witches being sisters, that could potentially make Cora WWE. We know she never had a house dropped on her though, so maybe things just happened differently in the Onceiverse. Maybe Cora did go to Oz at some point, while Regina was very young, maybe around the same time Dorothy was there, and caused some havoc, then left, and left her sister the WWW looking for revenge.
If you wanna bring Eva, owner of the potentially mysterious slippers into it, Xavier introduced her as being “from the Northern Kingdom,” and there is a Good Witch of the North in the Oz mythos…
The Good Witch of the North is a fictional character in the Land of Oz, created by American author L. Frank Baum.[1] She is the elderly and mild-mannered Ruler of the Gillikin Country. Her only significant appearance in Baum’s work is in Chapter 2 of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900), in which she introduces Dorothy to Oz and sends her to meet the Wizard, after placing a protective kiss on her forehead. She makes a brief cameo appearance at Princess Ozma’s birthday party in The Road to Oz (1909), but is otherwise only mentioned elsewhere in the series.
L. Frank Baum presented her as an extremely kind and gentle character who stood against the oppression and subjugation of people. She became the Ruler of the Gillikin Country in the North after freeing the Gillikins from the clutches of Mombi, the erstwhile Wicked Witch of the North. However, the character’s kindness and magnanimity of spirit was not confined to her own domain, and she was loved not only by her own subjects but also by other people in Oz, such as the Munchkins. Although she wasn’t as powerful as the Wicked Witch of the East and was hence unable to depose her the way she deposed Mombi, the Good Witch of the North was nonetheless exceedingly sensitive to the plight of the enslaved Munchkins, who regarded her as their friend. She also appears as a highly-altered player in Ruth Plumly Thompson’s The Giant Horse of Oz (1928), in which she is called Tattypoo.
Her role was significantly expanded in the 1902 musical extravaganza, in which L. Frank Baum named her Locasta. The character was more famously conflated with that of Glinda, the Good Witch of the South, for the 1939 film version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Witch_of_the_North
“An extremely kind and gentle character who stood against the oppression and subjugation of people,” sounds sort of Eva-ish. I know that she didn’t have any magical ability that would classify her as a “witch”, but she was definitely secretly buddies with Blue, and might have owned magical slippers, so maybe those things could still qualify her to fill the “Good Witch of the North” role.
Then we just need a Glinda from down south somewhere, and that’s all four Oz Witch bases covered.
[adrotate group="5"]December 9, 2013 at 5:23 am #229055MysteryKat25ParticipantThis site had a lot of good stuff about the various Ozian witches. Not sure what stuff they’d want to use or how to pull it in from the books but for those who aren’t as familiar with them like me I wanted to share: http://oz.wikia.com/wiki/Good_and_Wicked_Witches
In the oz land, a witch is a creature that can control the magic and the other creatures magics or not. the good witches are protectors, and the wicked witches are controllers.
Good and Wicked Witches are witches associated with the four cardinal directions and the four separate countries of the Land of Oz who have chosen if they follow the path of good or wickedness.
the wicked witches are vulnerable to water, like was shown in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
In Baum
In his first Oz book, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900), L. Frank Baum famously created good witches in the north and south of Oz and evil witches in the east and west. The Wicked Witch of the East ruled the Munchkin Country, while the Wicked Witch of the West dominated the Winkie Country. Dorothy Gale met the Good Witch of the North, from the Gillikin Country, early in her first stay in Oz (Chapter 2). Glinda is identified as the good “Witch of the South” (Chapter 18), though in later books she is generally called a sorceress rather than a witch. She is consistently located in the Quadling Country.
Baum left his Good Witch of the North unnamed in his original book; but in his 1902 stage adaptation of the book he called her Locasta.
The author killed off both of his wicked witches in his first Oz book; when he came to write his second, The Marvelous Land of Oz (1904), he needed a new villain, and produced Mombi, the Wicked Witch of the North. For the first time, both a good and an evil witch were associated with one of the cardinal directions.
Baum added another level of complexity to his scheme in his fourth book, Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz (1908). At one point, Princess Ozma explains that there had previously been wicked witches in all four quadrants; in addition to the two destroyed by Dorothy, “a good witch had conquered Mombi in the North and Glinda the Good had conquered the evil Witch of the South” (Chapter 15).
Baum added others villains, witches (like Blinkie), Yookoohoos, and other magic workers in later books, but did not amend his large-scale yet still incomplete fourfold scheme, of four evil witches and two good ones.
In Thompson
Ruth Plumly Thompson, Baum’s successor as Royal Historian of Oz, made two significant additions to this scheme. Most significantly, she created Gloma, the witch-queen of the Black Forest, in The Wishing Horse of Oz (1935). Gloma, if not precisely the Good Witch of the West, is at least a good witch in the west.
Thompson also created Tattypoo, in The Giant Horse of Oz (1928), as her version of the Good Witch of the North.
Later authors
The remaining gaps in the larger fourfold plan tempted the talents of later Oz writers. Rachel Cosgrove Payes took up Baum’s hint and created Singra as the Wicked Witch of the South in her novel The Wicked Witch of Oz, a book written in 1952 but not published until 1993.
Eric Shanower draws his own, unnamed Wicked Witch of the South in his first Oz graphic novel, The Enchanted Apples of Oz (1986). In his fifth Oz graphic novel, The Blue Witch of Oz (1992), Shanower accepts Thompson’s Gloma as the Good Witch of the West, and then creates his own Good Witch of the East in the person of Abatha, the Blue Witch of the Munchkins.
In his 2000 novel The Unknown Witches of Oz, David Hardenbrook accepts Locasta as the Good Witch of the North, but adapts the character to his own purposes.
Love that it’s getting renewed interest in the source material as well as in various versions we know and love! Can’t wait to see how and what they tie together!
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December 9, 2013 at 6:58 am #229070TheWatcherParticipantWell as I’ve said before, in the Witches of Oz movie (which is Disney) the Wicked Witch came to our land in hopes of getting back the shoes from Dorothy as a magical book that contained a magical word or something… She also wanted to take over Narnia and Camelot 😛 on our land she took the form of Dorothy’s agent and eventually began to love their friendship which ultimately was what destroyed her (which KINDA makes sense, but kinda doesn’t) So if Once borrows from that then they have a lot to work as the story is very Once already.
Also, remember when someone called Cora wicked, she knocked the speaker down and got offended 😛 guilty!!!
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I wonder if they’ll mash one of our characters into Glinda?
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