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November 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm #311961RumplesGirlKeymaster
Many of us nailed it, but Nimue was the First Dark One! What did you think of her rise as the first Dark One? Were you surprised by anything?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 8, 2015 at 10:19 pm #311975TheWatcherParticipantI absolutely adored her! Every second of her on screen! However I think her becoming the dark one was missing something, ya know, like…continuity. They told us about the darkness and the first dark one before and none of it fit into what we saw in this episode. So that miffed me off a bit.
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THIS. I wanted to be able to appreciate us finally showing the origin of the Dark One, but I was too irritated by the retcon to really get invested in this story.
November 9, 2015 at 7:26 am #312010RumplesGirlKeymasterIt was all pretty expected, so Nimue being the first Dark One wasn’t shocking or anything. But I did like how they played with a very old trope, the “first woman” being the downfall of mankind (Eve, Pandora) and bringing darkness to the world, though a lot of this has a strong whiff of retcon because that’s not what we’ve been told in the past. So questions: what was the Darkness (that black goo we’ve seen many times) doing before Nimue became the DO? What was it doing? Where was it? Why didn’t we see it enter Nimue? Did it enter her? And what does the Vault have to do with anything? Was Darkness really not a thing (clearly not because Vortigan)?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 9, 2015 at 8:12 am #312014Sci-Fi GirlParticipantSeemed more like she created the darkness, by using that greatest of all magic in anger, transforming and corrupting it into a dark force that controlled her.
Which completely contradicts what the apprentice said about the origins. He said the darkness existed as a threat to the world, so Merlin tethered it to a person to control it.
Instead we saw him tether the DAGGER to Nimue to control her, that being completely separate from … Everything else that happened. Which makes the dagger control just a spell from Merlin. A powerful one, sure, but not connected fundamentally to the darkness itself! You would think the dark ones would have focused on breaking this spell, as it would not have affected their actual powers at all!
And again, how the heck does the hat come into all this?!? They are pretending that was never a thing!!!
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November 9, 2015 at 8:16 am #312015Sci-Fi GirlParticipantBtw, this magic is clearly the force. It has a light side and a dark side. 😛
Complete with the dark one corrupting a loved one, and then putting on a mask. 😉
I’ve got a few other comments too, but I’ll have to post them later. 🙂
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November 9, 2015 at 11:00 am #312028Heart of DarknessParticipantYeah it was cool and all but it doesn’t really work with anything that’s been previously established.
November 9, 2015 at 2:04 pm #312035GaultheriaParticipantI think the story is more fun if Nimue was evil all along, if she destroyed the village, and if never-heard-of-him bad guy was just a minion. And also that that wasn’t the Holy Grail (Indiana Jones had an observation about cup design) but rather a prison for an ancient evil that Merlin unwittingly freed.
This could reconcile the Dark One origin stories.
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November 9, 2015 at 5:42 pm #312046WickedRegalParticipantNimue, although predictable, was pretty fantastic. Though like @TheWatcher said the continuity is an issue because they completely retconned the fact that the Dark One was supposed to have been created at the Vault.
So I guess Nimue later created the Vault to host all that darkness and goo which she used to create another Dark One that would be passed down from the line, so any other Dark One has been nothing but a robot replica of the original. But in order to completely kill Dark One as a whole, you must kill the original one, aka Nimue which I now think is what Merlin meant by she’s the only one who can help you now because you’ve got to destroy her in order to destroy the Dark Ones Altogether.
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November 9, 2015 at 6:29 pm #312051TheWatcherParticipantWait did I miss something.
When Nimue drank from the grail…. Did she just become immortal? Or did she become a second sorcerer (sorceress?) because I recall Merlin said that killing Vortigun will “turn her magic dark” and at that point I don’t recall Nimue ever having used magic.
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