"Oh what a tangled web we weave…" A developing pattern (has spoilers for #17)

[Sarah_TN]

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive!
~Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17. Scottish author & novelist (1771 – 1832

I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned by anybody yet, so I wanted to go ahead and bring it up. Has anybody noticed all of the lying?

Emma:
* Lying to Henry
 * Brought others in to help with the lie
  * Has Killian helping to lie with the belief they’ve been on a case
  * Has Regina lying pretending to only be a Mayor/family friend
  * Has Charming and Snow lying to help protect Emma’s lie
 * Lying for the purpose of protecting Henry

Killian:
* Lying to Emma
 * At this stage, he hasn’t brought in anybody to help support the lie, but my prediction
 is others may be correct, in that he may confide in David and recruit his help to carry it
 so as to protect Emma
* Lying for the purpose of protecting Emma (and maybe himself)
 * Faced with having to “own up”, or risk the lives of everyone Emma loves (if he continues to lie)

Seems perfectly innocent, right? Look at all of the damage the lying is doing!  Henry’s confidence stands to be shaken in everyone who he trusts, especially Emma! Emma’s trust in Killian could be shaken because of his lies, but she can’t say much because she has been lying so much herself!

I want for Emma and Hook to be very close, but lying, no matter how innocent, always breeds more lies, and sucks others into it. People get hurt, and so this can’t end well, unless someone has the courage to tell the truth first! Who do you think it will be? When the lies have run their course, where does everybody believe the result will end up?

 

 

 

[RumplesGirl]

I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned by anybody yet, so I wanted to go ahead and bring it up. Has anybody noticed all of the lying?

I’ve noticed. And it goes far beyond just Hook and Emma.

Everyone is lying to Henry, if you think about it.

Zelena was lying to everyone until her identity was found out.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Cinders]

I think the Emma lying thing is going to put her and Henry into the Rumple Bae roles. Henry will be upset when he learns the truth. And I’m betting when he sees Emma doing magic for the first time, it won’t be nice magic.
I think Henry will begin to hate seeing these changes in his mother using magic just as Baelfire hated seeing his father change. Right now Emma’s plan is to use magic for good, just as Rumple did, but it will change her.

Hook’s lies are weighing heavily on him, and I think he’s still got a few more lies he’s covering up.

[emmaswan]

I think the Emma lying thing is going to put her and Henry into the Rumple Bae roles. Henry will be upset when he learns the truth. And I’m betting when he sees Emma doing magic for the first time, it won’t be nice magic.
I think Henry will begin to hate seeing these changes in his mother using magic just as Baelfire hated seeing his father change. Right now Emma’s plan is to use magic for good, just as Rumple did, but it will change her. Hook’s lies are weighing heavily on him, and I think he’s still got a few more lies he’s covering up.

Idk why but my instincts tell me Emma can’t go bad. That she won’t be susceptible to the dark side of magic. Regina was surprised with her strength, her power in last nights episode

She is the savior and that was not Rumple’s doing. He just took advantage of the situation in front of him. I don’t think anyone knows just how powerful she really is yet.

[Cinders]

Maybe Glinda can teach her how to be a good witch. Would Emma be considered a witch, or a scorceress?

[emmaswan]

Maybe Glinda can teach her how to be a good witch. Would Emma be considered a witch, or a scorceress?

Maybe something else. Something A&E will come up with. She is their original fairy tale character after all. They can make her whatever they want.

[Jenna_B]

Well…I guess you have to define lying. Is everyone lying to Henry? Yes. And it’s going to bite Emma big time.

But not telling somebody something is not lying. Hook is by no means innocent but when it comes to the past year he doesn’t have to divulge everything. No one’s going to want to be like ‘oh yeah I was so upset I lost you I turned into a scumbag again’ especially when according to everyone, including Emma, Hook’s feelings for her are stronger than hers are for him. And he didn’t lie at the mirror. He said he didn’t find Eric. Emma downplayed it as modesty and then the conversation got broken up.

What they are doing to Henry though, as a collective is going to have some major ramifications. Henry isn’t a child anymore. He’s growing up. He sees through the charade and is playing along for Emma’s sake. That is not good.

[RumplesGirl]

But not telling somebody something is not lying. Hook is by no means innocent but when it comes to the past year he doesn’t have to divulge everything. No one’s going to want to be like ‘oh yeah I was so upset I lost you I turned into a scumbag again’ especially when according to everyone, including Emma, Hook’s feelings for her are stronger than hers are for him. And he didn’t lie at the mirror. He said he didn’t find Eric. Emma downplayed it as modesty and then the conversation got broken up.

Is is not lie by omission of certain key facts? Shouldn’t Emma have all facts at her disposal?

What they are doing to Henry though, as a collective is going to have some major ramifications. Henry isn’t a child anymore. He’s growing up. He sees through the charade and is playing along for Emma’s sake. That is not good.

On this we agree

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Jenna_B]

But define ‘key facts’.  haha

How does Hook’s actions as we know them so far going to affect Emma/Storybrooke in present day?  Ultimately, it’s not.  He doesn’t really have any information to assist with the WW that he’s keeping (until the curse…and in which case, timing was an issue more than anything).  Emma’s made it clear that she’s in SB until they get the WW and then she’s out….so why should it matter to Emma what Hook did during the missing year?

However, if we’re talking about Emma and Hook as friends/what-have-you, then yes, he should tell her.  But again, timing.  When’s the right time to bring up the “yeah, I was kind of a scumbag to the real Ariel during that year” conversation?  If there were no WW/Big Bad to deal with, I’d say probably fairly quickly after they met again.  But again, depends on which side you want to take…the ‘they’re friends/acquaintences at best’ side, or ‘there’s the possibility they may be TL’ side… 😉

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