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It does explain why Rump was so invested in Snowing’s love story and why he knows Emma’s name in particular when he didn’t know which Cora daughter would be the one to cast the curse. ‘Creating the future you wish to change’ as Daniel says.
He was invested in Snow’s love story before this, though. For example, he made sure Regina cut off trade with George in order to bankrupt him so that George would have to go to Midas, which causes James to die, which leads to Charming slaying the dragon, which leads to he and Abigail getting engaged, which leads to the decision to take the route through the woods, which leads to Snow robbing the.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Since Emma met Rumple in the past, surely Rumple would remember meeting her in the past in present day? That’s the problem with time travel, changing the past should’ve affected the present day stuff because even though Emma hadn’t gone through the portal yet, she was going to so her future actions should’ve affected the past which would’ve altered the present.
Also, why is past Rumple not trying to kill Hook because at that point in time they were very antagonistic to each other?
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Keeper of FelixI always had the impression from Rumple that he recognized Emma when he interacted with her in the first season. I know he had her name and knew she was the saviour that way, but its possible he knew who she was because he recognized her from the past as well.
The storyline could be based on the Novikov self-consistency principle where you can’t actually go back in time and change anything that would change the future as your changing the future would change the circumstances which allowed you to travel through time in the first place.
I think if Rumple had met Emma in the past he wouldn’t have necessarily said anything to anyone. Being able to see the future I think he would understand that messing with time is complex.
So, in a way, Emma is now almost like a seer. She gives Rumple clues and insight into things that will happen in the future. It might not include details, and it may be jumbled for Rumple. But he sees the future through Emma.
And I’m sure this has been explained elsewhere, but why has the portal brought them to this particular time instead of earlier in time as Zelena originally intended?
And I’m sure this has been explained elsewhere, but why has the portal brought them to this particular time instead of earlier in time as Zelena originally intended?
I *really* hope there is an answer about that.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Maybe the the time travel is set to send the person who enters it first back to a time just before their conception. If Zelena had gone through then it would have brought her back to an earlier time but since Emma went through …. Just a guess.
I do wonder why rumple isn’t ripping hooks heart out.
Since Emma met Rumple in the past, surely Rumple would remember meeting her in the past in present day? That’s the problem with time travel, changing the past should’ve affected the present day stuff because even though Emma hadn’t gone through the portal yet, she was going to so her future actions should’ve affected the past which would’ve altered the present.
OK, so in typing out a response to this I twisted my brain into a knot and think I ended up changing my mind. I was gonna say that it’d be believable if when Rumple heard Emma’s name in the Pilot, it not only reminded him of who she was, but also reminded him of having met her in the past, and he’d just never mentioned it on the show in present day. But I don’t think that’s possible, because present day Rumple wasn’t aware that time travel was possible…which he would know if he remembered having met Emma in the past.
In a similar sense, that theory that Snowing named Emma after herself because they met her in the past, if that’s the case, then they can’t really remember having met her in the past because we should have had an “OMG WE NAMED YOU EMMA BECAUSE WE MET A PERSON NAMED EMMA AND IT WAS YOU,” moment of realisation at some point after they got back their memories, because you don’t forget the face of a person you named your child after.
So, I wanna say that whatever Emma does to affect things in the past, whatever interactions she has with people, after she leaves, people don’t remember her having been there, even if they might have it tucked away in their subconscious somehow, (especially if they want to tell us that Emma is named after herself but her parents never realised that in SB).
Also, why is past Rumple not trying to kill Hook because at that point in time they were very antagonistic to each other?
Honestly, I’m a bit surprised that Hook is even in the scene. If you wanna convince Rumple to help you, it’ll probably up your chances if he DOESN’T know that he’s also helping Hook of all people. I do hope that’s addressed.
Maybe the the time travel is set to send the person who enters it first back to a time just before their conception. If Zelena had gone through then it would have brought her back to an earlier time but since Emma went through …. Just a guess.
Could be. We know that Zelena wanted to take Eva out of the equation, but we don’t know exactly when she was planning to go back to. Cora and Jonathan still had to meet though, because Zelena wouldn’t exist otherwise, so I guess she just wanted to go back to that day when Eva overheard them, and stab her dead before she got the chance to tell anyone?
I think it’s probably just a case of the time portal being directed by the person who falls into it, just like other types of portal work. We know that Emma’s searching for home, (she says it to Hook in the Canadian promo, which I’m guessing is a scene that comes before the portal), her trip back in time is a means for her to discover that, she was probably thinking about wanting to go home and her parents as she fell, so it dumped her at the point in time when her parents met. I’m not really expecting to get an actual explanation in show, but that assumption works for me.
This is going to be a great episode.
Emma never saw Rumple in his glittery mode. It must be such a shock for her!
I really miss Neal…
You know what I can't continue with the dead people brought back to life list I'm out of space in the signature and now we have an underworld arc this is to much I quit why do you bring so many people back to life OUAT WHHHYYYY
Emma never saw Rumple in his glittery mode. It must be such a shock for her!
I’m looking forward to her reaction to DO Rumple as well.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sorry….long time lurker….but wanted to add something to this thread. Since this is “officially” the first known time travel in this universe, Eddy and Alan get to write the rules. Perhaps no-one from the past sees you for who you really are…kinda like a cloaking spell or when Rumple changed Regina…we saw her normally, but no one else did. Wouldn’t be hard to have Zelena add that kind of magic to her portal spell, either. Would explain the lack of animosity between Rumple and Hook, too.
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