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February 16, 2015 at 7:55 pm #296102TheWatcherParticipant
I don’t think it’s Lily just because I think the audience made more out of the character than was intended. Not young Mal either…I don’t think Kristin looks particularly young but Agnes still seems a little old to be brought in for Mal. Maybe Cruella…
I think all the centric episodes for the QoD’s should be over right? Mal had Enter The Dragon, Ursula had Poor Unfortunate Soul. And I guess that leaves Sympathy for The De Ville for Cruella but would she really need a 3 episode arc if she is Young Cruella? ._.
I really want to say Black Fairy, but how could she be perfect for the role if the role has never been a thing before? Idk. I’m not too learned in Arthurian legends and all that, but does her description sound similar to Morgana? I only know Morgana from the sorcerer’s apprentice and I doubt Disney would borrow from that movie 😛 although…it’d make sense. Sorcerer= Merlin and Black Fairy is Morgana
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This I totally agree with.
…I don’t think Kristin looks particularly young but Agnes still seems a little old to be brought in for Mal. Maybe Cruella…
I can see Agnes as a young Mal. Not Cruella though. If Adam and Eddy want to introduce Camelot (not likely since Camelot is a plot device on this show), I can see her as a Morgan Le Fey aka Black Fairy.
February 16, 2015 at 11:27 pm #296122PheeParticipantI don’t think it’s Lily just because I think the audience made more out of the character than was intended.
So did I, but then they said in an interview that Lily would be seen again.
I’m not too learned in Arthurian legends and all that, but does her description sound similar to Morgana?
Queen Morgan le Fay /ˈmɔrɡən lə ˈfeɪ/, alternatively known as Morgan le Faye, Morgen, Morgaine, Morgain, Morgana, Morganna, Morgant, Morgane, Morgne, Morge, Morgue, and other names, is a powerful enchantress in the Arthurian legend. Early works featuring Morgan do not elaborate her character beyond her role as a fay or sorceress. She became much more prominent in the later cyclical prose works such as the Lancelot-Grail and the Post-Vulgate Cycle, in which she becomes an enemy of King Arthur and an antagonist of many stories. Her character may be partially derived from that of the Welsh goddess Modron.
The early accounts of Geoffrey of Monmouth in Vita Merlini and Gerald of Wales refer to Morgan in conjunction with the Isle of Apples (Avalon) to which the fatally wounded Arthur was carried off after the Battle of Camlann. To the former, she was a healer and an enchantress, the eldest of nine sisters. In early chivalric romance stories by Chrétien de Troyes, she also figures as a healer. In later stories, Morgan is said to be the daughter of Arthur’s mother Lady Igraine and her first husband Gorlois, so that Arthur, the son of Igraine and Uther Pendragon, is her half-brother. She becomes an apprentice of Merlin and a vindictive adversary of Arthur the Round Table, with a special hatred for his wife Queen Guinevere. In Thomas Malory’s Le Morte d’Arthur and elsewhere, she is married, unhappily, to King Urien, with whom she has the son Ywain, and her sisters include Morgause. She has also many lovers and an unrequited love for Lancelot. Morgan is an indirect instrument of Arthur’s death, though she eventually reconciles with him and retains her original role, serving as one of the queens who take him to Avalon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_le_FayCasting call for the character they think Agnes might be playing…
Yet Bruckner seems to perfectly fit a casting call that recently went out for the role of “Autumn,” a charismatic and fiercely independent woman who “easily wraps others into her schemes.” Yet despite her “penchant for troublemaking,” the casting notice reads, “Autumn” “just wants to be loved.” Alas, her misguided methods typically wind up alienating those she loves most.I could see that description working for Morgana. And if they do go with the owner of the Hat being Merlin, they’ll almost have to have Morgana, because she’s a part of his story. I’d be a bit bummed if she was only a 3 ep character though, because I think she has potential to be a Big Bad at some point.
February 16, 2015 at 11:37 pm #296124obisgirlParticipantExcept for why would we need to see Lily again? I get the feeling after Emma turned her back on Lily, that was the last time she saw her. They didn’t resume their friendship.
February 16, 2015 at 11:40 pm #296126TheWatcherParticipantJenna_B wrote: I don’t think it’s Lily just because I think the audience made more out of the character than was intended. So did I, but then they said in an interview that Lily would be seen again.
There is no way Lily would be a one off character written the way she was. That A&E said we’d see her again goes to show she is important.
She becomes an apprentice of Merlin
So I guess you could say Morgana was a….. Sorcerer’s Apprentice 😛
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Lily could be:
— The daughter of the sorcerer
–The black fairy
— The child of the black fairy
— The Author
— RH/Regina’s daughter from an AU
There are tons of possibilities.
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February 17, 2015 at 12:03 am #296129onceaholicParticipantEven before Adam and Eddy said we’d definitely see Lily again, I was one of the ones who suspected she would later become more important. Why spend an entire flashback on her friendship with Emma? Yes, I get it was to further show why Emma has trust issues, but I always thought there was more to Lily than just that. Not to mention, Emma’s vital encounters in the real world so far haven’t been with ordinary people. Neal turned out to be Baelfire, Ingrid turned out to be the Snow Queen, Walsh turned out to be a flying monkey, and a certain 11 year old boy appearing at the doorstep of her apartment turned out to be her son.
Lilith also has a star birthmark on her right wrist. Typically, this means something.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
February 18, 2015 at 12:31 am #296211obisgirlParticipantSo excited to head to #VanCity tomorrow to work on @OnceABC #Storybrooke #OnceUponATime #ComingSoon #Werk #OUAT
— Agnes Bruckner (@agnesbruckner1) February 18, 2015
Hopefully, there’s good pics available so we can finally put to rest who she is playing.
February 18, 2015 at 12:42 am #296212SlurpeezParticipantThere is no way Lily would be a one off character written the way she was. That A&E said we’d see her again goes to show she is important.
I also think Lily is more than just some random kid from our world, like the way Neal was more than just some random, regular guy. I think Lily could be someone very important to the story.
Calling it now: Agnes Bruckner = Adult Lily = Sorceress and/or Dark Fairy
Noticeably, Lily had that dark star mark on her wrist. Be on the lookout to see if Agnes Bruckner also has one in BTS photos.
Plus, the casting call for “Autumn” sounds a lot like Lily:
Yet Bruckner seems to perfectly fit a casting call that recently went out for the role of “Autumn,” a charismatic and fiercely independent woman who “easily wraps others into her schemes.”
Yet despite her “penchant for troublemaking,” the casting notice reads, “Autumn” “just wants to be loved.” Alas, her misguided methods typically wind up alienating those she loves most.
Remember how Lily roped young Emma into using a stolen credit card, running away, and then she lied to Emma to get her to like her. Sounds like “Autumn’s” “penchant for troublemaking.” But deep down, Lily just wanted Emma’s friendship, but it backfired, which sounds a lot like “Autumn’s” desire to be loved but tendency to alienate people.
Compare that to Lily’s casting call:
Her casting call describes her as, “a bright, self-reliant teen who boasts a charming, take-no-prisoners punk exterior and the heart of a secretive, insecure opportunist”
If you ask me, Autumn and Lily sound like the same character, just at different stages of development. If Agnes is playing Autumn, I think there is a good chance “Autumn” is really Adult Lily.
Plus, Lily’s star mark reminds me of the sorcerer’s hat and makes me think she’s the sorceress or a fairy of some kind. Lily said she liked to pretend her star mark made her feel important like Harry Potter’s lightning scar, and he turned out to be a wizard (plus his mom’s name was Lily), so I’m thinking there is a good chance of Lily turning out to be a magical being like a sorceress or fairy. Even if I’m totally wrong, I had fun with this admittedly out-there theory.
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