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I think that the NL arc (which I liked in general) was dark and stuffy, sort of claustrophobic, and I can see how it wouldn’t have been for everyone. There was not enough SB at all (making us wait until 7? Not a good idea as it turned out. How come they couldn’t have checked in earlier?), and way WAY too much Snowing, especially in The New Neverland. Rumbelle, IMO, was strengthened enormously over the course of the 11 episodes, BUT there was not enough of them and their reunion was way too short. Hook? There WAS a lot of him – of course he’s on his old stomping grounds, so it’s understandable – but still……..and ABC’s promotion of them, of CS, just….god, enough.
I agree. RumBellers got the short end of the stick in both S2 and S3 so far. We want to see RumBelle together not constantly separated for one reason or another. I disliked Snow immensely in Ariel- She was too Mary-Sueish in flashback and her confession and reasons for wanting another baby were so insensitive towards Emma that it was almost out of character for Snow to be THAT selfish. Also, Charming’s dreamshade storyline didn’t really go anywhere, it was like Snow’s dark heart storyline, it was hyped up then was extremely anticlimactic. It was inevitable that Hook would get more screentime since it was Neverland, however I agree about the overpublicity of him. It was great if he was your favourite character, but he’s certainly not mine, and the overexposure actually turned me off of him even more. As for CaptainSwan, well….. CaptainSwan is a relationship that has major issues that shouldn’t be downplayed or downright ignored just because Hook is attractive.
[adrotate group="5"]All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAfter reading everyone’s posts over the past page or so:
the biggest problem is that everyone watching this show wants something different and has their own vision of what this show should be. It’s not wrong and it’s not right. It’s a hallmark of fandom. Some people want more Snowing. Some people want more Captain Hook/CS. Some want less Belle. Some want less myth and more character development. There is no way to please EVERYONE. It’s not going to happen.
A and E are telling the story they want to tell. It doens’t really matter what individuals or groups of people want. They have to find a way to keep 9 million people happy enough to return.
S4 is a lock. There is no predicting if it goes beyond that.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"betsypaige24 wrote: I think that the NL arc (which I liked in general) was dark and stuffy, sort of claustrophobic, and I can see how it wouldn’t have been for everyone. There was not enough SB at all (making us wait until 7? Not a good idea as it turned out. How come they couldn’t have checked in earlier?), and way WAY too much Snowing, especially in The New Neverland. Rumbelle, IMO, was strengthened enormously over the course of the 11 episodes, BUT there was not enough of them and their reunion was way too short. Hook? There WAS a lot of him – of course he’s on his old stomping grounds, so it’s understandable – but still……..and ABC’s promotion of them, of CS, just….god, enough.
I agree. RumBellers got the short end of the stick in both S2 and S3 so far. We want to see RumBelle together not constantly separated for one reason or another. I disliked Snow immensely in Ariel- She was too Mary-Sueish in flashback and her confession and reasons for wanting another baby were so insensitive towards Emma that it was almost out of character for Snow to be THAT selfish. Also, Charming’s dreamshade storyline didn’t really go anywhere, it was like Snow’s dark heart storyline, it was hyped up then was extremely anticlimactic. It was inevitable that Hook would get more screentime since it was Neverland, however I agree about the overpublicity of him. It was great if he was your favourite character, but he’s certainly not mine, and the overexposure actually turned me off of him even more. As for CaptainSwan, well….. CaptainSwan is a relationship that has major issues that shouldn’t be downplayed or downright ignored just because Hook is attractive.
Rumbellers are always going to get the short end of the stick, unfortunately; I think they made Emilie a regular to please the fans. A part of me must think they like them in some way because their storylines are beautiful, but mostly I think Rumbelle is a nuisance to them. I cry thinking about that because what Bobby and Emilie have together is extraordinary and it’s being wasted. I get that because they don’t have a child, like the Charmings, that their angst will be centered on them (with the Charmings, their angst is centered on Emma and Henry), but goodness, I honestly thought that after NL, Rumbelle would be together and we’d see a focus on their relationship. I think I need to realize that Rumbelle is low man on the totem pole – Adam and Eddy worship the Charmings and they’re already going to shove Regina and Hood in our faces (how stupidly clumsy can you be, telling us outright they are TL and not letting it develop organically?)… Then, of course, there’s the triangle. I wish Adam would STOP telling us to have hope or keep faith…and his “I hope Rumbellers enjoy what we have in store for them” comment that came with the most recent spoilers for them is ridiculous. Really? Why would we enjoy whatever story you have? They won’t be on screen together, it’s another separation and their reunion will be treated like something that the writers have to endure.
The Charming poisoning story existed for one reason only – so that Hook could get on the good side of the Charmings and Emma. His ridiculously quick redemption “arc” is happening only so that Emma might be attracted to him; it’s completely unbelievable, IMO. Same with Regina – neither one has shown an ounce of remorse for their past actions. I am so angry at Adam and Eddy for denying Belle an opportunity to confront both of them……and given how comfortable she looked around Regina in the last episode, we know this is never going to happen.
RG, I just find that they have a completely imbalanced show. I’m biased as a Rumbeller, but seriously, they were given a gift on a silver platter and they tried to return to sender. This is a couple that should be one of the greatest in TV history; the fanbase literally exploded into being overnight. Instead of stoking the buzz, what ONCE has done is smothered it, and done all they could to remove all the joy from being a shipper.
It’s fine that they love Snowing, but it’s way too much. I’m sure that they are telling the story they want to tell, but they also have to realize what’s working and what’s not. After last season, ABC sat down with them to discuss not just fan dissatisfaction (you can’t ignore that), but also creative issues. They worked to try and fix some of those things – not leaping from world to world to world (they didn’t want people to need timelines/maps, lol), more character development, et….. and some of it worked, but a lot of it didn’t. Once Neal was in NL and there was no present FTL, there was no need to completely ignore SB. That is something that became a problem whether they acknowledged it or not. Another issue? Emilie is VERY popular and despite the fact that I know the boys adore her personally, she gets VERY little screen time. She was barely on in S2 and hardly was on in the first half of S3. Many people miss Belle, who is extremely popular as well. From episode 11 through the middle of the S2 finale, no Belle. Yeah, not everyone loves her, but then again, you can’t find any character who is universally loved by everyone. She’s beloved and popular and I really think that her lack of air time IS an issue. Something else that’s an issue? How the Charmings ignore her, how everyone ignores her……..except Gold and now Archie.
The reason why nothing is guaranteed beyond S4 is because whatever show Adam and Eddy are writing is a show that fewer people want to see. I’m not asking them to change their vision, but if they want to stay on the air, they need to be more flexible……When almost every segment of the fanbase is unhappy, there’s something wrong…..and I DO think that pissing off Rumbelle fans by not giving them storylines together is a mistake they are paying the price for even now. I’m not asking for my babies to become the central couple (though I’d love that, lol), but it’s not asking for a lot to give them storylines together, so they can work as a team…..so they can face obstacles together. It’s not asking a lot for wanting less tragedy and a little more happiness.
If Adam and Eddy want this show to stay on the air, they can’t just leave it status quo………
RG, I just find that they have a completely imbalanced show. I’m biased as a Rumbeller, but seriously, they were given a gift on a silver platter and they tried to return to sender. This is a couple that should be one of the greatest in TV history; the fanbase literally exploded into being overnight. Instead of stoking the buzz, what ONCE has done is smothered it, and done all they could to remove all the joy from being a shipper.
Oh I’m not saying they are doing a good job. 🙂
I think they’ve let some things go for the sake of others and it gets annoying after awhile. The numbers show that people loathe a triangle, love iconic characters (like Ariel), and hate being away from SB (nice big jump from Save Henry to New Neverland).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wish Adam would STOP telling us to have hope or keep faith…and his “I hope Rumbellers enjoy what we have in store for them” comment that came with the most recent spoilers for them is ridiculous. Really? Why would we enjoy whatever story you have? They won’t be on screen together, it’s another separation and their reunion will be treated like something that the writers have to endure.
A&E are well aware of the RumBelle fandom and how popular RumBelle are. They know RumBellers would riot if RumBelle didn’t get their happy ending. Also considering the show is supposed to be about hope, not having RumBelle together would go against that. Also, We don’t know what the writers have in store, just because things look bad now doesn’t mean they always will be. I think A&E know they can’t keep RumBelle separated forever, hopefully the current big separation will be the last for a while.
The Charming poisoning story existed for one reason only – so that Hook could get on the good side of the Charmings and Emma. His ridiculously quick redemption “arc” is happening only so that Emma might be attracted to him; it’s completely unbelievable, IMO. Same with Regina – neither one has shown an ounce of remorse for their past actions.
I don’t think Hook is quite as redeemed as he likes to pretend he is. So he does the right thing, what doe he want, a parade? Every good deed he does, Hook wants recognition and reward for it. He saved Charming but he wanted a kiss from Emma in return. Hook’s not doing things because it’s the right thing to do, he’s doing them because he thinks by doing so, he can get something out of it.
I think Regina may be further down the redemption road than Hook but the question is whether or not she can maintain it. Henry is her world, her past actions led to him so I can see why she wouldn’t necessarily “regret” them. However I do think she does feel remorse over some of her actions.
I am so angry at Adam and Eddy for denying Belle an opportunity to confront both of them……and given how comfortable she looked around Regina in the last episode, we know this is never going to happen.
I too would like for Belle to get an apology from both Regina and Hook. Also I think Belle had more important things on her mind than being mad at Regina in the last two episodes.
It’s not asking a lot for wanting less tragedy and a little more happiness.
I agree.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixRG, yep! I guess they figure that because they can’t have real triangles with Rumbelle or Snowing, they have to go for it with Emma…… but stupid scenes like Hook talking to Emma about their future while she’s trying to save Henry are so smarmy (then again, so is Hook) and this notion that he’s going to back off of Emma because he thinks Neal will destroy his chances with Emma is so imbecilic. I really think they underestimate Belle’s popularity…..and definitely the underestimated SBs. Waiting until episode 7 to show SB was a huge miscalculation.
A&E are well aware of the RumBelle fandom and how popular RumBelle are. They know RumBellers would riot if RumBelle didn’t get their happy ending. Also considering the show is supposed to be about hope, not having RumBelle together would go against that. Also, We don’t know what the writers have in store, just because things look bad now doesn’t mean they always will be. I think A&E know they can’t keep RumBelle separated forever, hopefully the current big separation will be the last for a while.
I’m not even concerned about a happy ending now; I don’t want them to give Rumbelle a happy ending if they’re not going to bother giving them screen time or any happy times during the run of the show. It would feel completely tacked on……too little, too late. True, we don’t know what they have in store, but their track record with Rumbelle is lousy, so while I’m going to do my level best NOT to get aggravated and angry, I think the best I can do is be accepting of what I expect to get instead of hopeful. I’ve had my hopes dashed one too many times to be excited.
I don’t think Hook is quite as redeemed as he likes to pretend he is. So he does the right thing, what doe he want, a parade? Every good deed he does, Hook wants recognition and reward for it. He saved Charming but he wanted a kiss from Emma in return. Hook’s not doing things because it’s the right thing to do, he’s doing them because he thinks by doing so, he can get something out of it.
I don’t think he is either, but the Charmings apparently think he is, sigh. To me, as long as he and Regina refuse to acknowledge the pain they have caused others, their evil deeds, they can never be redeemed. It’s nice that she’s doing right by Henry, but that doesn’t make up for her past. Gold cared, he thought he was a monster, he regretted what he did, felt remorse…..that’s a big deal.
I too would like for Belle to get an apology from both Regina and Hook. Also I think Belle had more important things on her mind than being mad at Regina in the last two episodes.
Good point, lol!
RG, yep! I guess they figure that because they can’t have real triangles with Rumbelle or Snowing, they have to go for it with Emma…… but stupid scenes like Hook talking to Emma about their future while she’s trying to save Henry are so smarmy (then again, so is Hook) and this notion that he’s going to back off of Emma because he thinks Neal will destroy his chances with Emma is so imbecilic. I really think they underestimate Belle’s popularity…..and definitely the underestimated SBs. Waiting until episode 7 to show SB was a huge miscalculation.
Look this bitterness to Snow is getting old isn’t there a thread that you can talk about the Rumple and Belle thing this about ratings. As for Snow apparently you forgot about Season 1 when Kathryn was married to David. Snow has been through a lot. As for Hook again I am not a shipper but this constant slamming of him and Snow is really getting old. What is that saying if you can’t say anything nice then don’t say it.
I well repeat my previous post for you:
I personally don’t like SB, to me that is just boring, I am not a fan of Belle or Neal so I don’t want to see anything on them. The Pilot started out with Snow and David but now they are side lined for all these new characters. Perhaps it would be better if they break off Snow and David and leave them in FTL and do the Cinderella ending for what they are allowed to contribute to the story anymore. Snow was the leading lady but lately she isn’t nothing.
To be honest I am burned out with all this talk about Belle and Rumple, and Neal. This use to be a fun forum but some of these posts are getting to aggressive in my opinion.
Just and FYI: I don’t think Belle is that popular as I have seen on other forums they too aren’t very fond of Belle.
Let’s move this conversation back to ratings because no one will ever agree on what is popular or essential. It’s a huge problem in the fandom as a whole. Remember the internet culture fandom is an incredibly small portion of of the total viewingship. Like what you like and don’t like what you don’t like. It’s all fine.
The Live+7 day for Going Home just came in.
Initial Rating: 1.9
Live+7: 3.1
Increase: 63%
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Let’s move this conversation back to ratings because no one will ever agree on what is popular or essential. It’s a huge problem in the fandom as a whole. Remember the internet culture fandom is an incredibly small portion of of the total viewingship. Like what you like and don’t like what you don’t like. It’s all fine.
Thank you RG!!!! 🙂
Here is the updated graph for the entire first half of S3
From 301-311, we lost .7 in ratings demos. Not great, but it could have been worse.
Like I keep saying S4 is a lock.
If I had to make a prediction for our demo for 312, I’d say we want at least a 2.5 to start.
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