Operation Firebird

[RumplesGirl]

Emma went down to the Underworld to save Hook but now there’s something larger on the horizon. Can the gang save everyone? Does everyone even deserved to be saved?

[RumplesGirl]

To me, the most interesting question isn’t IF everyone can be saved but rather SHOULD everyone be saved? A lot of the people we saw in the Underworld tonight are literal villains. The Blind Witch ate (ate!!) kids. Pan is basically a sociopath. If characters like this haven’t really learned their lessons, should they be included in Operation Firebird? Should they get to go to the Land of Fluffly Clouds? And if the answer is yes, then what does that say about the morals of the show?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

*pouring RG a drink beause I’m about to talk about differences between the Greek myth and the show’s interpretation*

Greek!Underworld, it’s got several sections and the section you end up residing is in dependant on whether or not you behaved in life, but all those different areas are just different places within the Underworld as a whole, yes? Greek!Hades doesn’t like letting souls out of the Underworld, because that’s where all souls belong and it’s his job to keep them there, yes?

But it seems that Show!Underworld is like a halfway house where you can camp out until you sort your unresolved stuff out, and if that happens, you get to cross the bridge, walk into the bright light to the better place, and you actually leave the Underworld. Show!Hades threw a tantrum when the clock ticked because he doesn’t wany anyone to leave his collection of minions, dammit.

So, he’s essentially holding souls hostage, which is a thing he shouldn’t be doing. It seems unreasonable that our little band of heroes can go around to every person in the Underworld and try to get them to move on. The reasonable solution would be to depose Hades, and install a new leader who would allow everyone the freedom to move on if they’re ready, then they can go home and leave the Underworld in better shape than when they found it.

[TheWatcher]

The Blind Witch ate (ate!!) kids

I know right. The carbs! The calories!

If characters like this haven’t really learned their lessons, should they be included in Operation Firebird?

Well to me it seems their actions in the UW is the place that will determine that, not their living lives. For example, If Cruella changes her ways and helps the heroes, and truly becomes one herself, it seems she will move on the better place. But if she doesn’t, when all is said and done she’s going to be a human smore. So essentially, its not about if they have gotten better since they died, but if they can get better before its time to move on. Pan from the looks of it is still his old self, so if Emma nd the gang manage to push everyone into the judgement pit, he too will be a human smore

I really don’t know how I feel about it.

And if the answer is yes, then what does that say about the morals of the show?

The show has always had a redemption theme going on, but I really don’t know. I do personally believe that the most evil of people CAN change. I do. But that is not an excuse for them to escape punishment in this life or the next. Pan, Cruella, Blind Witch, were all really bad people. Who did really bad things. I think they can surely regret what they did and help our heroes to good things, but I don’t know if I want everything they did to just go unpunished. Idk.

It’s all very difficult to think about.

 

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[Slurpeez]

To me, the most interesting question isn’t IF everyone can be saved but rather SHOULD everyone be saved? A lot of the people we saw in the Underworld tonight are literal villains. The Blind Witch ate (ate!!) kids. Pan is basically a sociopath. If characters like this haven’t really learned their lessons, should they be included in Operation Firebird? Should they get to go to the Land of Fluffly Clouds? And if the answer is yes, then what does that say about the morals of the show?

I think it means the show has a messed up moral compass.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[Slurpeez]

To me, the most interesting question isn’t IF everyone can be saved but rather SHOULD everyone be saved? A lot of the people we saw in the Underworld tonight are literal villains. The Blind Witch ate (ate!!) kids. Pan is basically a sociopath. If characters like this haven’t really learned their lessons, should they be included in Operation Firebird? Should they get to go to the Land of Fluffly Clouds? And if the answer is yes, then what does that say about the morals of the show?

I don’t think everyone should be saved, in the sense they don’t seem to have learned their lessons. No matter one’s view on the afterlife, it seems like there should be some sort of karma or cosmic justice for one’s choices; otherwise, evil is just about how much a person can get away with in life.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

I think they can surely regret what they did and help our heroes to good things, but I don’t know if I want everything they did to just go unpunished. Idk.

I think the big difference is that it doesn’t appear that any of them do regret it. Pan certainly hasn’t learned any lessons. The Blind Witch is just chilllin’, not really regretful over the kids she ate. If they get to move on without making recompense then I think there’s a serious issue here.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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