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Can anyone provide a within-show explanation for the following questions of mine (”because plot” not being a sufficient answer):
1) I don’t understand why the AU ”never happened” just because it was not in the book. The characters collectively remembered what happened, so therefore it all did happen but just wasn’t recorded…surely???
2) Why didn’t Belle and Rumple’s kiss not send everyone back to the original reality? Why did it have to be only Regina’s and Robin’s that could do that?
3) Why did it have to be a (white?) savior’s blood that Henry needed in the AU to fix everything?
Possible theory:
Did anyone else wonder whether the author was able to change things in our world too? I mean, his happy ending meant staying in our world and becoming a world-famous author, but this would have had an effect on our world, right? Or was just an indirect ripple-effect, do you think?
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1) I don’t understand why the AU ”never happened” just because it was not in the book. The characters collectively remembered what happened, so therefore it all did happen but just wasn’t recorded…surely???
I honestly don’t have an answer for this one and it’s been bothering me as well. And it was recorded in Isaac’s book; and even when Regina threw it into the fire in part one, nothing changed. It’s not like destroying the book ended the AU, unless that was because in our world there still would have been published copies of “Heroes and Villains.” (maybe?)
Which brings up another question: what about the people in our world who’s memories they likewise altered with Isaac’s rewrite. You have fans, the publishing company, reviewers, ect. It’s the equivalent of Daniel, Matt and I running this joint but waking up one morning with only memories of ONCE Podcast Forums …but the forums themselves not existing or being real. It doesn’t jive.
2) Why didn’t Belle and Rumple’s kiss not send everyone back to the original reality? Why did it have to be only Regina’s and Robin’s that could do that?
I’m assuming that is because the AU was Rumple’s happy ending so he couldn’t have it all undone with a kiss from Belle, something that would have been happening frequently in the AU. Rumple and Isaac wrote it so that Regina and Robin never met and thus the AU could play out. What Rumple and Isaac didn’t count on was Henry.
(ps; what was Rumple’s plan for Henry???? Last season he wanted to take Henry with him and Belle when Ingrid was about to cast her curse but this season he’s content to let Henry remain alone in SB?)
3) Why did it have to be a (white?) savior’s blood that Henry needed in the AU to fix everything?
Again, no idea outside of “magic” for the sake of emotional feelings. Emma broke the first curse; they wanted Regina to break this one to parallel 122. I also disagree with the idea that Isaac should have been able to fundamentally alter Emma’s make up. He left her memories in tact but managed to rob her of her Saviorhood…that doesn’t make much sense.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1) I don’t understand why the AU ”never happened” just because it was not in the book. The characters collectively remembered what happened, so therefore it all did happen but just wasn’t recorded…surely???
THIS!
The entire premise of the finale confused me and seemed to contradict the author’s powers previously established in 4b. How is it that Isaac had the power to write things that had “real” and lasting effects in fictional London, the EF and ALWM (e.g. rendering Cruella incapable of killing Henry), and yet the story which he wrote was a “fake” AU (i.e. Hook’s death did not count as “real” since it was reversible)? In other words, the author seemed to have the unlimited power to impact the characters of Henry’s storybook and even SB in ways which which had real consequences (e.g. sending Lily to ALWM), but Isaac didn’t seem to have the power to create a “real” AU (e.g. in which Rumple was a hero). So which is it? The show-runners seem to want to have their cake an eat it, too.
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The entire premise of the finale confused me and seemed to contradict the author’s powers previously established in 4b. How is it that Isaac had the power to write things that had “real” and lasting effects in fictional London, the EF and ALWM (e.g. rendering Cruella incapable of killing Henry), and yet the story which he wrote was a “fake” AU
This becomes even more confusing when we remember that Fictional! 1920s! London is a land of story and not “real” in the sense that time moves and things change. But still the Author was able to make permanent changes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I believe that the AU happened–in as much as the last chapter happened as we saw it. The rest of the AU is like a third set of memories (or fourth, some people have a lot going on in their heads now), but never really happened. Like, Belle and Rumple never really had a child, but the author had to do SOMETHING with Nealflake, so he got borrowed and Belle probably remembers having given birth to him but that never happened–but her caring for him in the AU did happen. (My headcanon but I think it’s strongly supported by what we saw and were told.) Same as David remembering that he married Kathryn in S1, which never really happened–but their attempts to revive the “marriage” did happen.
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I believe that the AU happened–in as much as the last chapter happened as we saw it. The rest of the AU is like a third set of memories (or fourth, some people have a lot going on in their heads now), but never really happened
Well that’s just convenient. So nothing happened except the part that essentially erased the rest of the AU? How does that work? That’s just a slippery slope. If the AU didn’t happen then it means that the erasing of it didn’t happen either which means the whole AU happened! Either none of it happened (but somehow they have memories of it happening) or all of it happened.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And it was recorded in Isaac’s book; and even when Regina threw it into the fire in part one, nothing changed.
That was a copy. The real book was the one with the Black and White cover.
3) Why did it have to be a (white?) savior’s blood that Henry needed in the AU to fix everything?
Dark savior blood was needed to make villains heroes in the new book. So to undo that, light savior blood was needed.
2) Why didn’t Belle and Rumple’s kiss not send everyone back to the original reality? Why did it have to be only Regina’s and Robin’s that could do that?
In the book, Regina was classified as a Storybrooke hero. Which is why Zelena, a villain was getting her happy ending. Isaac said no hero could get their happy ending in the book.
How is it that Isaac had the power to write things that had “real” and lasting effects in fictional London, the EF and ALWM (e.g. rendering Cruella incapable of killing Henry), and yet the story which he wrote was a “fake” AU (i.e. Hook’s death did not count as “real” since it was reversible)?
If Walt Disney was the previous author we have seen how his stories had a real world effect. They are written to impact the real world. Isaac’s book did impact the real world but didn’t stick because of Henry re-writing the book.
I believe that the AU happened–in as much as the last chapter happened as we saw it. The rest of the AU is like a third set of memories (or fourth, some people have a lot going on in their heads now), but never really happened
I agree with this. At the point that Isaac wrote ‘The End’ the AU began with everyone having a set number of memories and entering the book. While Henry was figuring out a plan of action (we don’t know how long this actually took) everyone was playing out the book. Henry changed the book, which is something the Author can do, which is why Hook, Doc, and Regina lived. If they died in the real world, they would just be dead.
That was a copy. The real book was the one with the Black and White cover.
Okay. But the black and white one still exists. We saw it sitting next to the OUAT one. So if the book exists then it means everything happened.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay. But the black and white one still exists. We saw it sitting next to the OUAT one. So if the book exists then it means everything happened.
But the pages were blank. So the story did happen, but it didn’t stick. Which is why everyone remembers. Just like they remember their cursed Storybrooke lives. The magic did happen, but the ‘curse’ was broken.
Which is why the Apprentice told Henry he couldn’t bring back Neal, but Hook was alive.
Okay. But the black and white one still exists. We saw it sitting next to the OUAT one. So if the book exists then it means everything happened.
But the pages were blank. So the story did happen, but it didn’t stick. Which is why everyone remembers. Just like they remember their cursed Storybrooke lives. The magic did happen, but the ‘curse’ was broken. Which is why the Apprentice told Henry he couldn’t bring back Neal, but Hook was alive.
Except their SB lives DID happen. It wasn’t “undone.” They remembered and it really happened, despite not being recorded at all. And Neal’s death wasn’t recorded either. Nothing that happened in the Lost Year was recorded because Henry wasn’t the new Author and the Old Author was locked inside the book, but not recording anything.
And if the AU didn’t happen it means the entire AU never happened—including Henry’s undoing of the AU which means that the AU DID happen. What I’m saying is that the AU and it’s ending doesn’t make a lot of sense when you really start to think about it (which is something A and E never want us to do because we begin to see some serious fault lines). I’m not saying it wasn’t fun to watch, but the logic behind it is incredibly lacking and it’s based on the fact that A and E’s world and magic building skills are nonexistent.
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