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*wonders if she’ll have to pop RG on the hand* v_v Let’s all remember the rules. On a slightly off topic thing, I’ve heard this Danerys woman referred to as the Mother Of Dragons. As someone who doesn’t watch GOT, I have to know >> did she really BIRTH dragons or is it like some kind of metaphor or something?
LOL…nope. Short version: she used blood magic and fire to hatch dragons from fossilized eggs.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
*wonders if she’ll have to pop RG on the hand* v_v Let’s all remember the rules. On a slightly off topic thing, I’ve heard this Danerys woman referred to as the Mother Of Dragons. As someone who doesn’t watch GOT, I have to know >> did she really BIRTH dragons or is it like some kind of metaphor or something?
LOL…nope. Short version: she used blood magic and fire to hatch dragons from fossilized eggs.
ARG. I love you but…she did not use blood magic. Mirri Maz Durr was not required to hatch the dragons. Dany “makes up the magic” as she goes along. From GRRM
The whole point of the scene in A Game of Thrones where Daenerys hatches the dragons is that she makes the magic up as she goes along; she is someone who really might do anything. I wanted magic to be something barely under control and half instinctive–not the John W. Campbell version with magic as the science and technology of other sorts of world, that works by simple and understandable rules.
She does it. Not blood magic.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She does it. Not blood magic.
Isn’t it both? It required both “fire and blood.” Those are the house words for the Targaryens. A life for a life. Her husband, her baby, and Mirri Maz Durr all died, while three dragons were born.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
And last but certainly not least, Aragorn and Arwen from LOTR.
Speaking of which, I also love Beren and Luthien who were Tolkien’s original elf maiden/mortal man pairing. I can’t think about how much I love Arwen and Aragorn without also thinking of Beren and Luthien, (the headstone for Professor Tolkien and his wife has the names Beren and Luthien on it under their own names because his own relationship was his inspiration for the epic love story that he wrote and I just think that’s the most beautiful thing).
Also, speaking of LotR – BROTP…
Can’t forget about these two
When it comes to Charmed I’m all about Piper and Leo.
She does it. Not blood magic.
Isn’t it both? It required both “fire and blood.” Those are the house words for the Targaryens. A life for a life. Her husband, her baby, and Mirri Maz Durr all died, while three dragons were born.
No.
First, the house words having nothing to do with it. Those are just words, no more than “hear me roar” means anything for the Lannisters or “growing strong” for the Tyrells. It does speak to the ancient Valyrian traditions and how the Targs are literally connected to dragons (probably through a ritualistic blood magic that literally put the blood of dragons in them—it’s not clear yet) but her house words are not required to hatch a dragon. It’s not like Aegon the Conqueror, Visenya, and Rhaenys had to kill people and place their dragon egg into a fire for it to hatch. And the Targs afterwards certainly never had these sorts of ceremonies to hatch their dragons.
MMD killed Drogo, but not Rhaego. Rhaego’s life was traded into the eggs–they quickened because of that. Fire was caused them to hatch but MMD’s life blood has nothing to do with hit. The eggs were already “alive”
The last time fire and blood was literally “required” (and I use that term loosely) it was accidental since Aegon V wasn’t planning (perhaps…there is debate here…) for Rhaegar to be born, and he certainly wasn’t planning for he and his entire family to perish at Summerhall.
And Drogo and Rhaego dead before the dragons were ever hatched.
ETA: The GOt wiki is for the show. I cannot stress enough how different it is.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I know this isn’t really the right place to debate. Plus, I’ve only read the first four books and seen the show. I’m still trying to figure out the history. However, I understood it differently from you.
First, the house words having nothing to do with it. Those are just words, no more than “hear me roar” means anything for the Lannisters or “growing strong” for the Tyrells. It does speak to the ancient Valyrian traditions and how the Targs are literally connected to dragons (probably through a ritualistic blood magic that literally put the blood of dragons in them—it’s not clear yet) but her house words are not required to hatch a dragon. It’s not like Aegon the Conqueror, Visenya, and Rhaenys had to kill people and place their dragon egg into a fire for it to hatch. And the Targs afterwards certainly never had these sorts of ceremonies to hatch their dragons.
Also, I’ll say that words have meaning in this series, and often more than one meaning. There is some debate as to what the exact meaning of house Targaryen words “fire and blood” is.
MMD killed Drogo, but not Rhaego. Rhaego’s life was traded into the eggs–they quickened because of that. Fire was caused them to hatch but MMD’s life blood has nothing to do with hit. The eggs were already “alive”
In the GoT the novel, Daneryes says, “It is not your screams I want, only your life. I remember what you told me. Only death can pay for life.” I understood that to mean MMD’s death was a blood sacrifice that paid for the fossilized eggs being quickened again.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I know this isn’t really the right place to debate
It’s not so I’ll only touch briefly.
Plus, I’ve only read the first four books and seen the show
Well there are only 5 (show doesn’t count…) plus 3 novellas and the world book. But I’ve read them…uh…I don’t know how many times and like I said in my first post, I spend probably equal or more time talking about ASOIAF as I do ONCE. Not an expert, but I do this a lot is what I’m saying.
But I do know that words mean things, and can have more than one meaning, especially in a these book.
Well of course they do. I didn’t say they didn’t. But the house words are not a recipe for dragon hatching.
Also, we don’t know for sure how the dragons were birthed in olden days do we? I thought that was one of the secrets lost to history.
They hatched. They were put into into the cribs of new born Targaryen princes and princess to bond and then hatched. It’s not lost to time. The Conquest and the reign of the Targs is quite detailed.
In the case of Aegon the Conqueror, he probably didn’t hatch his dragons from fossilized eggs, because the dragons hadn’t died out. I’m guessing he may’ve had a continuous line of living dragons.
Well, yeah. I mean Balerion the Black Dread and Rhaenys and Visenya’s dragons laid clutches. Hence why the Targs had dragons up to about 150 pre-AGOT. They died out eventually, though there were still eggs. Hence Aegon V and his attempts at Summerhall. Worth noting that we don’t know where Dany’s eggs came from or how old they are. They could be pre-Doom, for all I know. Illyrio says they are from Asshai but given that Asshai is apparently a nightmare landscape encased in darkness sitting next to a city that is basically DEATH…yeah I don’t know. But Bran sees dragons in Asshai in his crow coma dream. And there are rumors of ice dragons in the Shivering Sea…so dragons being extinct isn’t quite true.
But in the case of Daneryes, the dragons had all died out, with the exception of the stone eggs.
See above.
So something extra special was needed.
Yup. 1) her name is Daenerys and 2) you’re neglecting the balance of Planetos and how Others being back in the world affects all this.
I always thought Daney being the last of her house and also having the house name;s words “fire and blood” held the secret to how stone eggs were made living eggs again.
Oh you think she’s the last of her house, do you? 😉 We may have bigger problems than Dany’s magic then…but you’re forgetting Maester Aemon at the Wall. He’s a Targ, pure bred 100% Targ. Brother to Aegon V. And this to say nothing of…something I’m guessing you haven’t put together yet…so I’ll leave it there.
n the GoT the novel, Daneryes says, “It is not your screams I want, only your life. I remember what you told me. Only death can pay for life.” I understood that to mean MMD’s death was a blood sacrifice that paid for the birth of the once fossilized eggs being quickened again.
Dany is all my all time favorite but her understanding of magic is not exactly…accurate. She’s taking revenge on MMD, reiterating MMD’s words back to her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I also crack ship John Snow and Daenerys Targaryen, because they are the embodiment of A Song of Ice and Fire. (One day it won’t just be crack…it is known).
*resists urge to discuss this and how it’s not the embodiment of Ice and Fire….*
*Whispers R+L=J*
Near…Far….Where ever You Are…
Also, these two 😛 #TeamJacob
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI also crack ship John Snow and Daenerys Targaryen, because they are the embodiment of A Song of Ice and Fire. (One day it won’t just be crack…it is known).
*resists urge to discuss this and how it’s not the embodiment of Ice and Fire….*
*Whispers R+L=J*
Ding ding ding. We have a winner! Jon Snow is not the embodiment of ice. It is known.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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