- This topic has 24 replies, 10 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 5 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
Are we expected to root for [Ingrid’s] downfall? Because all I see is a desperate character who needs to be helped as well as stopped, but I fear the writers won’t let her live to receive the help she needs.
Ingrid needs to be helped as well as stopped, but the town of several tens of thousands just needs for Ingrid to be stopped. Sensitivity isn’t a priority to the victims and their protectors when a mad(wo)man is holding a gun and is using it.
I agree with you, but the writers will likely just end/stop Ingrid and not do anything as far as helping her. And I think that’s a problem when it happens to every single villain on this show–well, the seasonal arc ones.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Are we expected to root for [Ingrid’s] downfall? Because all I see is a desperate character who needs to be helped as well as stopped, but I fear the writers won’t let her live to receive the help she needs.
Ingrid needs to be helped as well as stopped, but the town of several tens of thousands just needs for Ingrid to be stopped. Sensitivity isn’t a priority to the victims and their protectors when a mad(wo)man is holding a gun and is using it.
I understand 100%, but I’m not coming at this from the angle of the characters, I’m coming at it from the angle of the writers. My point is that they are using mental illness as a sign of villainy, and we’re just supposed to go along with it. It is, imo, highly insensitive.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"I agree with you, but the writers will likely just end/stop Ingrid and not do anything as far as helping her. And I think that’s a problem when it happens to every single villain on this show–well, the seasonal arc ones.
Well said RG, thanks!
Yeah; when it becomes a pattern, it becomes a problem.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Storybrooke should have a Villain Version of Arkham Asylum…a place where villains can get help, and probably be reformed.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Storybrooke should have a Villain Version of Arkham Asylum…a place where villains can get help, and probably be reformed.
Arkham Asylum is the worst place for the villains to be to get help….unless your talking about getting help from other villains in villainy.
I think the main problems with villains such as Zelena and Ingrid and audience perception towards them isn’t their “craziness”, it’s the fact that 11 episodes isn’t enough time to properly flesh them out before the writers move on to the next villain. Whereas we’ve had lots of flashbacks for Regina and Rumple, so we can sympathise with them more, the lack of backstory for Zelena and Ingrid means we sympathise with them less.
Zelena obviously had issues. She latched onto people that were seemingly nice to her, but the moment she felt they had “betrayed” her, she’d go out of her way to make them pay. I dislike Zelena for her treatment of Rumple but there wasn’t really anything in her character to sympathise with. She was gone after 9 episodes and so why bother getting invested in her character. The only time I felt sorry for her was in Oz when the witches let Dorothy sit in her chair (Like seriously, was there a chair shortage in Oz or something?) Zelena had potential especially with the mental health issues side of things, but her whole character seemed to be just written off as “yeah, she’s crazy” rather than exploring those issues.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think the main problems with villains such as Zelena and Ingrid and audience perception towards them isn’t their “craziness”, it’s the fact that 11 episodes isn’t enough time to properly flesh them out before the writers move on to the next villain. Whereas we’ve had lots of flashbacks for Regina and Rumple, so we can sympathise with them more, the lack of backstory for Zelena and Ingrid means we sympathise with them less.I agree with you when it comes to Zelena’s back-story, but Ingrid has, imo at least, been fleshed out rather well – we know (and more importantly; understand) exactly why she is the way she is, and why she’s motivated to do the things she’s doing – something we unfortunately didn’t get with Zelena. Even though the writers decided to go down the whole ‘all I want is love’ route, I think they’ve done a really good job telling Ingrid’s story so far.If you don’t have a ton of sympathy for a woman who spent most of her life feeling like a dangerous ‘freak’, was isolated and alone, accidentally killed one of her sisters, was betrayed by her other sister, and spent 30 years in isolation to dwell on all this, then… I don’t know what to tell you. Tbh, I’m actually really surprised they gave her such a heart-breaking past considering they’re probably just going to kill her/send her into an unknown void of doom… for a show all about hope there sure doesn’t seem to be any left for Ingrid, or Zelena for that matter.Zelena obviously had issues. She latched onto people that were seemingly nice to her, but the moment she felt they had “betrayed” her, she’d go out of her way to make them pay. I dislike Zelena for her treatment of Rumple but there wasn’t really anything in her character to sympathise with. She was gone after 9 episodes and so why bother getting invested in her character. The only time I felt sorry for her was in Oz when the witches let Dorothy sit in her chair (Like seriously, was there a chair shortage in Oz or something?) Zelena had potential especially with the mental health issues side of things, but her whole character seemed to be just written off as “yeah, she’s crazy” rather than exploring those issues.One of my biggest gripes when it comes to Zelena is all the – glaringly obvious –wasted potential she had as a villain. And you’re right to point out that when a short term character is badly written then it’s very unlikely that the audience will take to them, especially if the person is a villain (I quite liked her though ;P). As for your ‘exploring those issues’ comment goes, I really have zero interest in the Once writers tackling such a delicate issue, especially after witnessing their severe lack of tact with the issue so far – akin to asking an elephant to take care of a Ming vase; it probably won’t end too well."so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"I agree with you when it comes to Zelena’s back-story, but Ingrid has, imo at least, been fleshed out rather well – we know (and more importantly; understand) exactly why she is the way she is, and why she’s motivated to do the things she’s doing – something we unfortunately didn’t get with Zelena. Even though the writers decided to go down the whole ‘all I want is love’ route, I think they’ve done a really good job telling Ingrid’s story so far.
If you don’t have a ton of sympathy for a woman who spent most of her life feeling like a dangerous ‘freak’, was isolated and alone, accidentally killed one of her sisters, was betrayed by her other sister, and spent 30 years in isolation to dwell on all this, then… I don’t know what to tell you. Tbh, I’m actually really surprised they gave her such a heart-breaking past considering they’re probably just going to kill her/send her into an unknown void of doom… for a show all about hope there sure doesn’t seem to be any left for Ingrid, or Zelena for that matter.
I agree that Ingrid is more fleshed out than Zelena and thus garners more sympathy. Plus the fact that she hasn’t really messed with any of the other characters in a cruel way also helps to make her more sympathetic. They’re managing to cover Ingrid’s backstory more or less every episode. We had her origin episode which then brought up to the Frozen flashbacks so we’ve basically seen Ingrid’s entire backstory. We didn’t get that with Zelena.
One of my biggest gripes when it comes to Zelena is all the – glaringly obvious –wasted potential she had as a villain. And you’re right to point out that when a short term character is badly written then it’s very unlikely that the audience will take to them, especially if the person is a villain (I quite liked her though ;P). As for your ‘exploring those issues’ comment goes, I really have zero interest in the Once writers tackling such a delicate issue, especially after witnessing their severe lack of tact with the issue so far – akin to asking an elephant to take care of a Ming vase; it probably won’t end too well.
I think it’s a bit of a catch-22. Do the writers risk tackling a sensitive issue and not pulling it off or do they just not bother to tackle the issue at all? There are several issues on Once that have come about story wise that the writers are just skimming over. For example, the whole Regina/Graham relationship. Sweeping issues under the rug is worse than at least attempting to address them in-show.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIt is so nice to see an honest effort to reduce the stigma surrounding mental illness.. Trivedi Effect
Oh wow… Oh WOW! Are you bloody kidding me? A child with psychopathy? A. CHILD. With. Psychopathy?!!!
Will they ever stop portraying people (CHILDREN) with mental illness as inherently evil?! Oh My God!
I’m really quite angry about this actually. They gave a child a severe mental illness, turned her into a woman with a severe mental illness, and then used said mental illness to justify the audience not feeling bad about her when the main character ends her life.
What the HELL is going on?!
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"
The topic ‘OUAT and portraying mental health issues’ is closed to new replies.