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@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think it would be a very interesting conflict to be just a man again. VERY interesting.
I agree. He could probably still use magic I think because what he uses in SB is what he brought to town via the potion he dropped in S1 finale, but to be JUST a man, to be mortal, after so long would be almost like an identity crisis for him. Who is he, really? I feel like he and Belle could on on this journey of discovery together…..
One thing I want to add that just adds to Rumbelle feels: I really kind of love that even when facing his own death (or so he thinks) he’s thinking about Belle and making sure that she not only lives, but that she lives without being haunted by images of what is to come (which he expects to be brutal). Gold doesn’t want Belle to see him reduced to whatever he may be reduced to; his protecting her goes beyond just wanting to keep her physically safe (which obviously he does). He wants to keep her emotionally safe
[adrotate group="5"]That was a great interview and gives me lots of faith for an awesome S3. 😀
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
I haven’t seen anyone mention this, but that fact that both Adam and Eddy said they intended to “tame the beast” could be a foreshadowing of Rumple (the beast) becoming a mere man again. Perhaps by going up against Peter Pan, Rumpple’s dark one curse will be undone.
I’m not sure that’s what they meant, but I really do think Pan is the boy the Seer was talking about, not Henry.
Yeah, I’ve been pondering this for a while too…
Seer: A boy… A young boy will lead you to him. But beware, Rumpelstiltskin, for that boy is more than he appears. He will lead you…to what you seek. But there will be a price. The boy… Will be your undoing.
“Young boy” could still refer to PP even if he’s late teens, (like many of us have speculated he will be). “That boy is more than he appears”, well it’s safe to say that even if PP appears to be just a kid, he’s actually a super powerful bad guy with an agenda. And the bit about “will lead you to him” and “will lead you to what you seek” could very well relate to PP bringing about the undoing of the Dark One, leaving Rumple as a mortal man, which he has to be in order to have a real shot at being able to repair his relationship with Bae…which is what Rumple has been seeking all this time.
I would actually love that to be the case, though I really hate the idea of Belle not being the one to break the curse.
While the EPIC TLK is the most romantic way he could be cured, I’d be OK with it happening in a different way, because we’ve already seen that she could have cured him that way. Perhaps the fact that he put a stop to it that time means that TLK can’t work for this any more? Maybe it was a one shot deal, and the fact that he threw up a barrier against it relegated that particular cure void for eternity?
From a practical, TV making perspective, it would have more impact for it to happen some other way. The reason their previous TLK was so effective from a TV visual standpoint was that he was all Rumple-y and began to undergo a physical transformation. He doesn’t look all Rumple-y any more. I know there’s been some discussion wondering if he’d revert to looking like that once he’s back in a magical land, but I’m thinking probably not in NL, and especially not if he comes back to SB. So if he already looks human, how do they do the EPIC “OMG look, he’s transforming back into being a mortal” thing again for another TLK?
On the other hand, set up a scene with Rumple vs PP, two dark forces doing battle over Henry’s fate, converging on each other, trying to consume each other, lots of cool, EPIC, magic-y special effects building up until BOOM, the dark magic is destroyed…THAT would make for some fun TV which would be a fittingly dramatic end to Rumple’s centuries old curse.
In any case, if he were to be undone in terms of the curse, there’s no doubt Gold would struggle to be “just a man” – it would be an amazing storyline and it would be a Rumbelle-oriented one because she would see him through this
Robert would OWN every single scene of Rumple having to come to terms with being mortal again. It would be beautiful to watch.
“Young boy” could still refer to PP even if he’s late teens, (like many of us have speculated he will be). “That boy is more than he appears”, well it’s safe to say that even if PP appears to be just a kid, he’s actually a super powerful bad guy with an agenda. And the bit about “will lead you to him” and “will lead you to what you seek” could very well relate to PP bringing about the undoing of the Dark One, leaving Rumple as a mortal man, which he has to be in order to have a real shot at being able to repair his relationship with Bae…which is what Rumple has been seeking all this time.
I don’t think he has to be mortal to repair his relationship with Bae. Bae got a real glimpse of the man his father can be with the phone call to Belle, but really he only knows his father as a boy knows his father. As a boy, what could he have possibly understood about how damaged his papa was and the complexities of life? All he saw was that his papa chose power over him. Yes that was true, but Rumple regretted it the moment he let go. I will be very upset if Belle does not play a huge part in helping bridge the gap as they really have played up the Belle/Bae angle and how devoted she is to him. Belle was an adult when she met Rumple, a very perceptive and kind adult, who could understand how damaged he was, how he hated himself. She knows his father as he does not know him……
That said, I do think Pan is the “undoer”, lol
While the EPIC TLK is the most romantic way he could be cured, I’d be OK with it happening in a different way, because we’ve already seen that she could have cured him that way. Perhaps the fact that he put a stop to it that time means that TLK can’t work for this any more? Maybe it was a one shot deal, and the fact that he threw up a barrier against it relegated that particular cure void for eternity?
It’s actually not a huge deal to me as I think about it because I don’t need any proof of their true love; IMO, what Belle has done for him as a man is far more important than breaking the curse. She has loved him so much, for so long; she has believed in him, fought for him, supported him, had faith in him. As a result, he’s changed, is changing and wants to change. He’s always felt a tremendous amount of guilt for his past, but until Belle, Gold thought that good man had died; he didn’t think he could ever be that. Now she makes him want to be his best self and even as he might struggle, it’s stil a beautiful thing to see. He knows she loves him absolutely, doesn’t ever question that any more (see phone call scene), has made him believe that he is a good man, that he can be better. So for me, curse or not, what Belle has done for him already has been pretty wonderful, lol.
Still, you raise very good points.
On the other hand, set up a scene with Rumple vs PP, two dark forces doing battle over Henry’s fate, converging on each other, trying to consume each other, lots of cool, EPIC, magic-y special effects building up until BOOM, the dark magic is destroyed…THAT would make for some fun TV which would be a fittingly dramatic end to Rumple’s centuries old curse.
LOL like matter and anti-matter colliding, all that’s necessary is for one extra particle of matter to survive (as opposed to one extra particle of anti-matter, which would mean the end of the universe, lol). So yeah, I definitely see Pan and Gold going at it. Gold thinks he’s going to die, which means he doesn’t have a lot to lose, which means an all out war….and PP will be on the losing end.
Robert would OWN every single scene of Rumple having to come to terms with being mortal again. It would be beautiful to watch.
Yes he would.. I actually think he’d want to be mortal again. I mean, he’s got to have been exhausted living this long – and being immortal is complicated. He couldn’t ever bear to watch Belle age and die; I think he’d find a way to kill himself to be with her rather than live an eternity without her.
I kind of think that if he becomes mortal, he might appreciate aging normally and living a life with Belle. What sucks is that since physically he’s 20 years older, how much time would they have together? Sigh
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
I don’t think he has to be mortal to repair his relationship with Bae. Bae got a real glimpse of the man his father can be with the phone call to Belle, but really he only knows his father as a boy knows his father. As a boy, what could he have possibly understood about how damaged his papa was and the complexities of life? All he saw was that his papa chose power over him. Yes that was true, but Rumple regretted it the moment he let go.
This is sort of what I’m getting at when I say he’ll have to be mortal for the reconciliation to happen. It’s that the gesture of finally giving up that power in an effort to protect Henry is the exact opposite of what happened when he chose his power over being with Bae. It’s the ultimate way for him to prove that he’s changed. Nealfire overhearing the phonecall was wonderful, FEELS galore, but since then he’s seen nothing to back that impression up, in fact, he’s seen the opposite, so it’s gonna take a massive effort from Rumple to prove himself, and giving up the Dark One is the most emphatic proof.
I will be very upset if Belle does not play a huge part in helping bridge the gap as they really have played up the Belle/Bae angle and how devoted she is to him. Belle was an adult when she met Rumple, a very perceptive and kind adult, who could understand how damaged he was, how he hated himself. She knows his father as he does not know him……
I’d love it if Belle plays a role in reuniting them physically as well as emotionally. There’s so much potential for Nealfire to learn about his father from Belle.
It’s actually not a huge deal to me as I think about it because I don’t need any proof of their true love; IMO, what Belle has done for him as a man is far more important than breaking the curse. She has loved him so much, for so long; she has believed in him, fought for him, supported him, had faith in him. As a result, he’s changed, is changing and wants to change. He’s always felt a tremendous amount of guilt for his past, but until Belle, Gold thought that good man had died; he didn’t think he could ever be that. Now she makes him want to be his best self and even as he might struggle, it’s stil a beautiful thing to see. He knows she loves him absolutely, doesn’t ever question that any more (see phone call scene), has made him believe that he is a good man, that he can be better. So for me, curse or not, what Belle has done for him already has been pretty wonderful, lol.
Agreed with all of that. There’s no question as to the depth of their true love. Most people have been expecting for ages that the TLK will be what cures him, because it’s the standard method of curse breaking for couples. Many people have questioned why her kissing him in SB didn’t strip him of his curse, like it started to back in FTL. That’s why I mentioned that maybe the TLK was a one shot deal that’s now not an option as his cure. I agree that they don’t need a TLK to prove anything about their compatibility.
LOL like matter and anti-matter colliding, all that’s necessary is for one extra particle of matter to survive (as opposed to one extra particle of anti-matter, which would mean the end of the universe, lol). So yeah, I definitely see Pan and Gold going at it. Gold thinks he’s going to die, which means he doesn’t have a lot to lose, which means an all out war….and PP will be on the losing end.
Exactly! Would be sort of poetic, given that Rumple’s downward spiral began when he ran away from a battle, and here we see him walking directly into one as his ultimate act of redemption.
Robert would OWN every single scene of Rumple having to come to terms with being mortal again. It would be beautiful to watch.
Yes he would.. I actually think he’d want to be mortal again. I mean, he’s got to have been exhausted living this long – and being immortal is complicated. He couldn’t ever bear to watch Belle age and die; I think he’d find a way to kill himself to be with her rather than live an eternity without her.
I kind of think that if he becomes mortal, he might appreciate aging normally and living a life with Belle. What sucks is that since physically he’s 20 years older, how much time would they have together? Sigh
It’s sorta sad to think about with their age difference. Though on the plus side, if she ends up being welcomed properly into the whole family, she’ll still be surrounded by people who love her, even after he’s gone.
This talk of being mortal makes me think of how I’m (currently) thinking that PP needs Henry because he wants to become mortal himself, and be able to age and die. Rumple would go into the battle expecting not to come out at all, but that’s what he’d end up with, the same thing PP was striving for, to be able to age like a normal human. I’m really looking forward to Rumple seeing Rumple willingly go to give up his life…and then the look on his face when he realises he’s still there, just without his curse. “Whaaaat theeeee….oh, so THAT’S what “undoing” meant?!” 😕 😮
Re: the age gap. Yes, that is sad, so I’m going to make a crack theory. Here we go. We know there is good magic and dark magic. What if “undoing” doesn’t mean that his magic is taken away, but instead it is turned into good magic? He can be the Light One!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, it looks like it isn’t so much something Henry does that leads to Rumple’s “undoing” but rather his decision to go rescue Henry that does. I agree that it likely has something to do with Peter Pan. I’m very curious about Rumple’s history with him. We are supposed to learn that story pretty quickly in the 3rd season. I love your idea, Phee- that he goes into battle expecting to die and is shocked to learn he is saved instead. I do think at some point in the series, he will no longer be the Dark One- I suspect undoing means ending his curse. I’ve read a fan blog which insists that Rumple will have to die in order to be redeemed, but I disagree. I think he might be brought to the brink, but that ultimately, he’ll be brought back a changed man.
The issue with Rumple being immortal and Belle not makes me think of the tv show Bewitched…that discussion came up quite a bit between Darrin and Samantha.
I think Rumple will come very close to death, much like the Beast does in Beauty and the Beast. But a combo of Belle’s TL/TLK and his heroic sacrifice in giving up his magic will undo the DO’s curse and free him to a mortal man again.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think Rumple will come very close to death, much like the Beast does in Beauty and the Beast. But a combo of Belle’s TL/TLK and his heroic sacrifice in giving up his magic will undo the DO’s curse and free him to a mortal man again.
Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking, actually. Might be wishful thinking, but I hope it’s true. 🙂
This is sort of what I’m getting at when I say he’ll have to be mortal for the reconciliation to happen. It’s that the gesture of finally giving up that power in an effort to protect Henry is the exact opposite of what happened when he chose his power over being with Bae. It’s the ultimate way for him to prove that he’s changed. Nealfire overhearing the phonecall was wonderful, FEELS galore, but since then he’s seen nothing to back that impression up, in fact, he’s seen the opposite, so it’s gonna take a massive effort from Rumple to prove himself, and giving up the Dark One is the most emphatic proof.
I see what you’re saying, but I think there are other ways without giving that up that their relationship can be repaired. I mean, it would be lovely, but it would be too easy. Gold can prove himself a changed person or a person TRYING to change (or more accurately, become who he was) by making better decisions, but being simply a better person. He made such great strides this season and he really wants to be better, so that’s a big deal. I think saving Henry is a start – but then the real work begins. I think Neal, Gold and Belle need to spend time together – not pushing it, let it go slowly. I would suggest that Gold almost concentrate on himself because I believe that Neal still adores his papa and seeing his father trying and being a better person would go a long way. Belle can help in this way; she makes Gold so happy; her support and belief in him make HIM believe he can be his best self – and with that and with the knowledge that hell yeah, he did damned good in helping to save Henry), I think he will be in a better place.
I’d love it if Belle plays a role in reuniting them physically as well as emotionally. There’s so much potential for Nealfire to learn about his father from Belle.
Yes and I think no matter what he says, he’s curious about his father. Neal said he didn’t know he had it in him (the phone call). Well as a boy, he obviously did not see any romantic love between his parents (Milha saw to that) and she left when he was young anyway. He remembers more than he wants to remember; he really needs to concentrate on his anger because I think if he concentrated on his grief at his being “abandoned”, not sure he could have made it. I think in general it’s easier to be get on with life being angry instead of sad.
Agreed with all of that. There’s no question as to the depth of their true love. Most people have been expecting for ages that the TLK will be what cures him, because it’s the standard method of curse breaking for couples. Many people have questioned why her kissing him in SB didn’t strip him of his curse, like it started to back in FTL. That’s why I mentioned that maybe the TLK was a one shot deal that’s now not an option as his cure. I agree that they don’t need a TLK to prove anything about their compatibility.
Also, technicall, even if he’s still cursed, he still has the choice as to his behavior……Isn’t it actually better if Gold becomes that best version of himself even without the curse actually breaking? It makes him, by doing so, much stronger than the curse -and frankly I think that would be a very powerful thing. The curse didn’t destroy him – it couldn’t, because he was such a good, kind and incredibly loving man with a huge heart. So if it never really destroyed him, he can overcome it. I believe in him. I believe he is a beautiful soul and that he may struggle, but his desire to become his best self will triumph.
Exactly! Would be sort of poetic, given that Rumple’s downward spiral began when he ran away from a battle, and here we see him walking directly into one as his ultimate act of redemption.
Yep!
I suspect undoing means ending his curse. I’ve read a fan blog which insists that Rumple will have to die in order to be redeemed, but I disagree. I think he might be brought to the brink, but that ultimately, he’ll be brought back a changed man.
The issue with Rumple being immortal and Belle not makes me think of the tv show Bewitched…that discussion came up quite a bit between Darrin and Samantha.
Personally, I think dying to be redeemed is a complete cop out and aside from being absolutely crushed, I would be livid. Redemption is an ongoing process. The man was a beautiful and kind soul originally. He made a terrible decision, caused a lot of pain to others – and has felt pain himself. If he were the monster he thought he was, he never would have fallen for Belle – never would have appreciated her kindness, compassion, intelligence, humor, etc… Point is, the past can’t be changed, but he can still be that wonderful man he was and do good things in the future. Rumple dying for his sins , sins he feels god-awful about, would mean this show is about HOPELESSNESS, not hope.
There was a discussion on Tumblr about the immortality issue. Since Lacey clearly wanted to be kept young, and part of Lacey is in Belle, perhaps Belle would be ok with being young eternally because there is no way on earth she would ever, ever want to die and leave Gold to the loneliest possible existence. Who’s to stay they can’t be immortal together – though that means making children, etc… immortal.
Of course if Gold gives that up or he’s uncursed and then he’s a real man again, who’s to say he won’t live until he’s 95 and die at around the same time Belle does? They are one soul in two bodies; I do think they would die very close together.
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
Also, technicall, even if he’s still cursed, he still has the choice as to his behavior……Isn’t it actually better if Gold becomes that best version of himself even without the curse actually breaking? It makes him, by doing so, much stronger than the curse -and frankly I think that would be a very powerful thing. The curse didn’t destroy him – it couldn’t, because he was such a good, kind and incredibly loving man with a huge heart. So if it never really destroyed him, he can overcome it. I believe in him. I believe he is a beautiful soul and that he may struggle, but his desire to become his best self will triumph.
Ideally, yes. But the way I’ve always thought of his curse is that it’s more than just a bad influence, it’s actually a parasite that latched on and fundamentally altered him. So in that sense, I think it’ll take more than just willpower for him to completely overcome it, he actually has to have it removed.
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