"OUAT creators promise to ‘tame the beast’ next season"

[betsypaige24]

RG, good points……I guess we’ll find out soon enough, lol.

For me, I just want to see Rumbelle happy times – THEY need it for pete’s sake. They can face obstacles TOGETHER – key word TOGETHER – whether that’s a Bae relationship, whether that’s anything else. Don’t just NOT separate them, let’s SEE them in a relationship. This idea that “hey they’re happy off-screen” is NOT acceptable. If you’re a good writer, you can write anything.

Part of their story, a huge part, IS their relationship. We have missed so much of their first moments together that it breaks my heart. They have been apart for at least 95% of their time “together”. Enough already. This is why I say S3 is a crossroads for me. If we get, after S2 and half of S3, more tragedy and personal angst for Rumbelle in the 2nd half, how can I justify continuing to watch the show when it makes me angry and incredibly sad? I’m going into S3 very hopeful, but wary – we’ll just have to see.

I’m fine with there being a threat as long as we also get concentration on relationships. No one is asking for episodes worth of Rumbelle or Snowing going shopping, but showing real people in a real relationships grounds them in reality., Plus, why would I care, why would any fans care, about what happens to people if we don’t care about them? It’s vital to have the audience emotionally invest in your characters. This show is was not promoted to be a show that is purely action/drama with no heart. In fact, fans loved ONCE in S1 because of character developments – and because it was fun. ONCE runs the risk of turning themselves into a soulless tv show by ignoring character development and relationships. So, what I’m asking for is balance……..Oh and there is usually more dramatic and emotional impact in genuinely moving scene between characters than there is in blowing up something for effect

[angiebelle]

@Betsypaige24 wrote:

RG, good points……I guess we’ll find out soon enough, lol.

For me, I just want to see Rumbelle happy times – THEY need it for pete’s sake. They can face obstacles TOGETHER – key word TOGETHER – whether that’s a Bae relationship, whether that’s anything else. Don’t just NOT separate them, let’s SEE them in a relationship. This idea that “hey they’re happy off-screen” is NOT acceptable. If you’re a good writer, you can write anything.

Part of their story, a huge part, IS their relationship. We have missed so much of their first moments together that it breaks my heart. They have been apart for at least 95% of their time “together”. Enough already. This is why I say S3 is a crossroads for me. If we get, after S2 and half of S3, more tragedy and personal angst for Rumbelle in the 2nd half, how can I justify continuing to watch the show when it makes me angry and incredibly sad? I’m going into S3 very hopeful, but wary – we’ll just have to see.

I’m fine with there being a threat as long as we also get concentration on relationships. No one is asking for episodes worth of Rumbelle or Snowing going shopping, but showing real people in a real relationships grounds them in reality., Plus, why would I care, why would any fans care, about what happens to people if we don’t care about them? It’s vital to have the audience emotionally invest in your characters. This show is was not promoted to be a show that is purely action/drama with no heart. In fact, fans loved ONCE in S1 because of character developments – and because it was fun. ONCE runs the risk of turning themselves into a soulless tv show by ignoring character development and relationships. So, what I’m asking for is balance……..Oh and there is usually more dramatic and emotional impact in genuinely moving scene between characters than there is in blowing up something for effect

Well, nothing I say is going to change how you feel, and you have every right to your feeling of course. However, as a fellow RumBeller, it’s distressing me to see you stress out so much! Here are my thoughts. I know you’ll disagree, but I’ll present them anyway as a different perspective:

As much as we love it, Belle and Rumple’s story is but a small part of the show. At this point, Belle has not been fully integrated into the overall story arc. Therefore, they have not shown us a lot of those smaller relationship moments. With so much going on, a lot has to be implied. I don’t see this as bad writing. It’s an hour long weekly tv drama- they have to keep the momentum going. It’s not possible for them to show every little moment on television the way you can in, say, a novel. It’s a very different type of writing. When Belle becomes more important to the big picture (hope*hope*hope), perhaps we will see more of RumBelle and how their relationship affects everyone else.

Would I love to see all those firsts you mentioned? Of course! More than anything! I am a RumBeller too, after all. But I’ve come to accept that there just isn’t time…there are a lot of Charming moments we haven’t seen yet that I’m longing for too. Maybe some of them will happen, maybe they won’t. That’s why fanfiction is so great- we can fill in those gaps ourselves! I do think that the whole reason we saw those interrupted dates was so that they *could* show us that RumBelle was happy without stopping the flow of the main story.

While it’s true I’ve been disappointed with the lack of real character moments in the 2nd season due to the constant threat of danger, I would hardly say it’s been completely devoid of them! The heart is still there. If it wasn’t, we wouldn’t still be here saying how much we love them! Obviously, the writers did something right. RumBelle has actually had a lot of beautiful moving moments- not all of them angsty. It has been a bit of a back and forth, but the show is a drama- it’s that way with *all* of the various relationships!

I love the way you analyze the various RumBelle moments on the other forums- every little move and sound from their different kisses, etc. You pick up on things I don’t- it makes me fall even more in love with them as a couple.

So, I hope you take heart. Take a deep breath. Savor what they’ve given us. The passion I get, the angst- not so much. There is far more good about this show that we love than problematic. I hope you won’t abandon it.

[betsypaige24]

Angie, believe it or not, I’m not stressing out, lol. I just get very very passionate about Rumbelle – about anything because that’s who I am.

I am a born pessimist who worries as much as she breathes, so I’m going to have my moments when I feel down in the mouth. Right now, I’m sort of ok………

As much as we love it, Belle and Rumple’s story is but a small part of the show. At this point, Belle has not been fully integrated into the overall story arc. Therefore, they have not shown us a lot of those smaller relationship moments. With so much going on, a lot has to be implied. I don’t see this as bad writing. It’s an hour long weekly tv drama- they have to keep the momentum going. It’s not possible for them to show every little moment on television the way you can in, say, a novel. It’s a very different type of writing. When Belle becomes more important to the big picture (hope*hope*hope), perhaps we will see more of RumBelle and how their relationship affects everyone else.

I think asking the audience to imply too many things is wrong, though. I get that they can’t show everything and I’m not saying that Rumbelle is the entire show, but they need to show things aside from tragedy and angst. Saying that happiness occurred off-screen isn’t good enough. I know we disagree philosophically on this – but telling us we need to get downs to appreciate the ups and then not giving us ups (I don’t count 2 minute burger dates) is wrong. Yes, I want Belle to be more important in the bigger picture and I think she will – not only is she a fantastic character, but she’s attached to, IMO, the central figure of the show. That said, I’m not sure what Belle not being integrated in with the rest of the cast/story has to do with showing smaller relationship moments. I didn’t need to see how their relationship affects everyone else – their story is their story. To clarify, I really don’t expect Rumbelle to hog up the entire show, but there is a blog out there that detailed just how much screen time Rumbelle got this year – and it was pretty miniscule.

I can only be brief on this because I”m exhausted, lol, but I will give the writers something of pass because Emilie was not made a regular until late, when S2 had been plotted out. Gold was always going to go to NY, and I’m thinking that in order to have Belle out of the hospital and doing things with other characters, it would have required changing very basic things about episodes that were already scripted or planned. So, now that she is a regular and they don’t have to adjust things, there’s a good chance that things will be better (once Gold gets back, lol).

They obviously had to completely change Gold’s arc to accomodate Belle’s presence – and that’s a huge deal and very complimentary – to Rumbelle and to Emilie

Would I love to see all those firsts you mentioned? Of course! More than anything! I am a RumBeller too, after all. But I’ve come to accept that there just isn’t time…there are a lot of Charming moments we haven’t seen yet that I’m longing for too. Maybe some of them will happen, maybe they won’t. That’s why fanfiction is so great- we can fill in those gaps ourselves! I do think that the whole reason we saw those interrupted dates was so that they *could* show us that RumBelle was happy without stopping the flow of the main story

I agree that it was an issue with Snowing and overall S2, not just Rumbelle, in terms of not showing smaller moments. The difference is that Snowing is married, we have seen moments with them and they did get their many loft/everyday life scenes. I think we need to see more domestic Rumbelle and not have so many of their scenes take place at the shop. I don’t think I’m asking for a lot, to be honest. I’d be happy with various scenes sprinkled throughout the 2nd half (and obviously more in Belle/Gold/Rumbelle episodes). I think the writers need to make room for these scenes…..Fan fiction to me is great, but it’s very limited. I’m big on canon – I want to see it on screen. Yes I read it (mostly “romantic” Rumbelle because I need to get my fix) and I even write it occasionally, but for me it’s not a substitute at all for what happens on screen.

While it’s true I’ve been disappointed with the lack of real character moments in the 2nd season due to the constant threat of danger, I would hardly say it’s been completely devoid of them! The heart is still there. If it wasn’t, we wouldn’t still be here saying how much we love them! Obviously, the writers did something right. RumBelle has actually had a lot of beautiful moving moments- not all of them angsty. It has been a bit of a back and forth, but the show is a drama- it’s that way with *all* of the various relationships!

I love the way you analyze the various RumBelle moments on the other forums- every little move and sound from their different kisses, etc. You pick up on things I don’t- it makes me fall even more in love with them as a couple.

Even though I have been disappointed in much of what we didn’t see, I want to emphasize that the most important thing we got in S2 is this: the writers GET Rumbelle, they GET their epic, undying and selfless love. That is what I needed to see coming off of Skin Deep and in terms of this, oh yeah – I am SOOO happy. Even though their storyline in S2 was so tragic, it was also extraordinary and exquisite, filled with unbelievably beautiful moments. I should have known, lol. From the moment Gold said “My darling Belle”, which made me tear up, to his “Sweetheart……I promise”, when I literally burst into tears (from Broken) – that’s basically how I watched Rumbelle this year, lol.

I keep watching the Broken/Croc – Library/Outsider/Brother – hospital kiss/smashed cup/phone call/Lacey/finale scenes over and over again, particularly the finale. Good lord, lol.

You’re very sweet and I will take some time to ponder again what you’ve said because you make a lot of terrific points. I’m not saying now that I will quit (it’s very easy to say, not so easy to do), just that ST for me is a crossroads. Even if I’m thoroughly unhappy by end of S3, I don’t know that I could quit and abandon Rumbelle – I love them too much. I generally love the show as well – but in the end, tv is supposed to entertain you, not anger and frustrate you.

Thanks for your kind words about my descriptions of Rumbelle – I tend to go on and on and on about them, but hey, I can’t help it. I’m an English major from way back, I love words and Rumbelle is extremely inspiring to me.

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