OUAT Panel in ATX Festival

[RumplesGirl]

I know Rumple probably “saw” it all: that he had to give James to George so that James would die, and being broke George needed another son to marry into Midas’s kingdom, so then comes David who meets Snow which gives us Emma. But if there is more to tell then it has to fit within the storyline, which seems to suggest that Charming has something to do with NL. Or at least his father.

[Josephine]

I can see James’s and David’s real father being someone noteworthy. We know that James was raised with all the perks of being royalty, one was learning how to swing a sword and fight. David was a poor shepherd who was not raised on those skills, yet he took to it like a duck to water. He has this natural talent that came out of nowhere. I think there is a reason that David has these skills. I also bet that Daddy didn’t die the way David thought he did. There is something lurking in that storyline.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[PriceofMagic]

What if Charming’s father was a knight of the round table? It would be a good way to lead back into the King Arthur legend.

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Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

What if Charming’s father was a knight of the round table? It would be a good way to lead back into the King Arthur legend.

I was thinking of that too. Did any of the knights have twins? We should look into that.

Also, I was thinking what if Charming’s father is one of the Lost ones who got away from NL.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[HappyEndings]

His father could have given up his throne in order to marry Ruth,. I wonder why they were still broke if the deal with KG was to take care of them? Do we have to see David in that curley hair style again?

[MysteryKat25]

It would certainly be interesting to see how he connects to all of this. I’ve really been wanting more on Lancelot / Arthurian legend so hopefully one day we’ll get to that. Charming’s backstory may be related to the early stuff with NL but it could also be later in the season too, so it could connect to either really.

I can’t recall any twins with Arthurian legends that would relate here but it’s been awhile since I’ve read up on it *sighs and adds it to the growing list*

I posted somewhere around here ages ago about Mr. K from True North and how I felt that scene seemed weird and long/drawn out on his super hard to pronounce name (this is the guy from the records office that Emma goes to see about Ava and Nicholas) and he just said “Everyone calls me K” and on rewatch (especially after Lady of the Lake where Lancelot was introduced) this struck me as super odd and in my head he was Sir Kay (he didn’t say they call me Mr. K, just K). He was older than Lancelot and if Charming’s dad is connected to any of that, he would be older as well but it would fit. Not sure based on Charming’s reaction to Lancelot if it’s a possibility, but there’s always a chance that his father wasn’t who he thought he was and didn’t know certain things about him.

I wonder how old Charming was when his dad died? What did he know of him? All we have to go on is that he & Ruth shared true love (based on what we know of the ring) and that he regretted giving up James but had to to save the farm so it sounds like he was just a poor farmer. We got very little out of Ruth regarding all of that. She was very mysterious with everything she said if I remember correctly. Still don’t know who the grain merchant was whose daughter they wanted to have marry David.

Can’t imagine what we still have regarding just Charming’s backstory but since it was worded that way I think we have to assume it has something to do with when he was younger and his parents. Hopefully it’s something amazing and I can’t wait to see how it all ties in together. I’m still trying to wrap my head around Emma’s uncle being James and how much trouble he caused. I imagine we’ll get some of his story with King George possibly too, there are a lot of threads to tie up there as well.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[HappyEndings]

I think David’s may match his fathers life when David had a chance to be King but gave it up for a women so did his father sort of like they did with Snow and Emma parallel.lives.

But I still want know why they were broke if James deal was the same as David’s then Ruth should have been set up for life.

[kfchimera]

Maybe they would have been set up, if the father hadn’t died. Do we know when that happened? It’s possible that Ruth was left alone with just little kid David, and ran it into the ground until he was old enough to help but by then it was just barely enough to survive.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[HappyEndings]

@KFChimera wrote:

Maybe they would have been set up, if the father hadn’t died. Do we know when that happened? It’s possible that Ruth was left alone with just little kid David, and ran it into the ground until he was old enough to help but by then it was just barely enough to survive.

Remember the father had remorse after he did it what if he went to Rumble and told him he didn’t want to do it and Rumble killed him

[Slurpeez]

I’m pretty sure Rumple didn’t murder James and David’s dad. Although David’s father regretted ever making a deal with Rumplestiltskin, I doubt he could even attempt to undo the deal by then since James would have been announced as the son of King George by then. In 1×6 “The Shepherd” Ruth said:

Ruth: The deal forbade us from ever speaking of it. Your father regretted the decision the minute that man took your brother. He carried the guilt with him to his grave.

From that, I gather David’s father made the deal. He regretted it. He died later on of an unrelated cause.

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