Oz and Frankenstein

[towerlady]

Definitely Oz – good call on the slippers, Phee! I was totally thinking Cinderella, but that makes much more sense, as well as the crystal ball. And the B&W makes sense too, Youfoundme. But Rumplesgirl- I think Frank’s a more sympathetic character than Oz; no offense. Then again, maybe I’ve just seen/read Wicked too many times… now, who’s for getting the Witch of the West on board here?

[TheGoldenKey]

I posted this on another thread by thought I’d post it here as well. My thoughts regarding Dr. Frankie being the Wizard of Oz. There just does not seem to be any clues or connections leading us down that yellow brick road. Yes, we saw plenty of nods (Crystal ball/orb, rubbie slippers, Jefferson saying “Off we shall go to find him” (inferring the Wizard) as they walk down a long tiled walkway (yellow brick road). However, in my humble opinion, they were using all the OZ nods to throw everyone off track. It was only a ruse, a ploy, a red herring to keep us guessing whether he was Dr. Frankie or the Great Oz himself. OUAT was disappointed that the network let the cat out of the bag regarding Dr. Whale’s identity with the promos. Prior to this, the popular guess was the Wizard. Remember how they did the same thing with August’s identity? Kept giving us clues to both Bae and Pino. One was a red herring purposely put out there just as the Wizard of Oz was on Sunday. What further substantiates this is a look at the recent K&H podcast. How did they describe Dr. Whale? A good time kind of guy who likes to spend time with the ladies. How did they describe Dr. Frankie? A serious workaholic who is very discipline. Does this sound like the Wizard of Oz? I don’t think so as he was really a bumbling circus performer. We see Dr. Frankie drawing a flower in black & white though the flower itself is vibrant with colour. They said Dr. Frankie comes from a world without colour and titled the end of the script as such long ago. Could Dr. Frankie even see the flower’s colour? They also stated their favourite part of the episode was the end scene and they reveal where he is called Dr. Frankenstein. Note the key word “reveal” leading us to believe that we were to continue guessing between WofOz and Dr. Frankie, right up until the end. We see the the background, to this castle, dark dismal and gray, surrounding by eerie looking mountains. The castle, filled with dark electrical things, again all black & white, the only thing shining through is a red heart. Does this sound like the world of OZ? I don’t think so. We see his brother, the monster, come alive. We see his hand, ghoulish and gruesome looking, a patchwork of skin all stitched together, with long slimy fingers and horrid looking nails. Does this look like the Tin Woodman or Scarescrow from OZ? I don’t think so. Sounds more like a world from a 1930’s, black & white horror film. All in all, I just don’t see the connection. I see nods to OZ as we all know it will be coming up eventually, I see the red herring, but I don’t see Victor Frankenstein or his world filling the shoes of the Great and Powerful OZ or the Emerald City. If anyone can show me legitimate connections between the two, then please, by all means as I would love to hear them.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[melliemd]

I think the Oz nods were more to make an allusion to Oz throughout the episode. The whole thing was Regina trying to get back the thing she loves, making her a stand-in Dorothy. And she goes along with the ‘scarecrow’ (The man who lost his mind: Jefferson), the ‘cowardly lion’ (The man who lacked courage: Rumpel) and the ‘tinman’ (The man in search of a heart, Victor) but there was no wizard to be found, as much as she willed it, and instead the events released the evil that she “had inside her all along”. So it was a misdirect, it was a possible foreshadowing for future uses of Oz, but it was also an episode-sized allusion to a favourite classic.

[TheGoldenKey]

@MellieMD wrote:

I think the Oz nods were more to make an allusion to Oz throughout the episode. The whole thing was Regina trying to get back the thing she loves, making her a stand-in Dorothy. And she goes along with the ‘scarecrow’ (The man who lost his mind: Jefferson), the ‘cowardly lion’ (The man who lacked courage: Rumpel) and the ‘tinman’ (The man in search of a heart, Victor) but there was no wizard to be found, as much as she willed it, and instead the events released the evil that she “had inside her all along”. So it was a misdirect, it was a possible foreshadowing for future uses of Oz, but it was also an episode-sized allusion to a favourite classic.

I like that train of thought Mellie 💡

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[the fairest]

@MellieMD wrote:

I think the Oz nods were more to make an allusion to Oz throughout the episode. The whole thing was Regina trying to get back the thing she loves, making her a stand-in Dorothy. And she goes along with the ‘scarecrow’ (The man who lost his mind: Jefferson), the ‘cowardly lion’ (The man who lacked courage: Rumpel) and the ‘tinman’ (The man in search of a heart, Victor) but there was no wizard to be found, as much as she willed it, and instead the events released the evil that she “had inside her all along”. So it was a misdirect, it was a possible foreshadowing for future uses of Oz, but it was also an episode-sized allusion to a favourite classic.

That’s a really good observation. 😉

Personally, I think all the nods to Oz are simply foreshadowing. Last season, there were numerous nods to Oz that were connected to an array of different characters. August with his green phone and “Kansas” license plate, the flying monkeys in Henry’s book, ect. And this season, we have Regina saying “I don’t care if it turns my skin green” and Jefferson repeatedly saying “we’re off to see the wizard.” None of these nods mean that one of these characters is connected to Oz, it simply means that he’s on his way.

Or in a much larger context, it could mean that Oz has some sort of omniscient presence in all the characters’ lives. Maybe all the references are clues that indicate Oz is much bigger than we think. Maybe he’s the Rumpelstiltskin of Oz? You know, connected to everyone but no one knows it yet? ❓

[melliemd]

You’re right, they’ve definitely made Oz a big subject of foreshadowing throughout season one and two, so it must end up being important.

I think that whoever ends up being Oz will be very important… I feel like the new guy who was cast is a likely suspect. I posted this in another thread, but I’ll stick it here, as well:

All we know about it is that he’s “on the show for a spell” (producer tweet) and he plays a visitor to Storybrooke. I think he could definitely be some sort of incarnation of the Wizard of Oz. I mean the Wizard is supposed to be a regular guy (possibly from our world) who TRAVELS TO the Land of Oz… And becomes famous essentially because he can put on one heck of a good show. They say this guy is a stranger who comes to Storybrooke… So I could see him coming to Storybrooke and everyone makes a huge deal out of him, because WOW! No strangers EVER come to Storybrooke unless they’re important (read: Emma, Pinocchio). So he becomes the Wizard of Storybrooke… And perhaps him and a mystical hot air balloon or some other device are what Charming and the gang need to get back to realm of magic? Even if it brings them to Oz instead of the Enchanted Forest it’d be a step in the right direction.

[TheGoldenKey]

@ Mellie, ya, I caught Adam Horowitz tweet about him “coming on board for a “spell”. I posted about that on another thread somewhere. Anyway, the point is that he used the word “spell”. Kinda of spells it us for us, I think.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[melliemd]

Yeah your post is where I saw it! He’s definitely got to be someone special.

[TheGoldenKey]

Ok, I was looking at tweets from Jane Espenson on Sunday. Here is one I found that sort of confirms that the Wizard was only a red herring.

Shannon O’Connor ‏@ShannonOConnor0
@JaneEspenson haha was he just supposed to be Frankenstein’s monster? For a while we thought Doctor Frankenstein was the Wizard of Oz haha!
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28 Oct Jane Espenson ‏@JaneEspenson
@ShannonOConnor0 That’s why “wizard” was in there!
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[juanfe]

What do you think of the posibility of Rumple being the coward lion??
I also think Dr. Frankenstein’s brother could be the Tin man he needed a heart after all. what do you think?

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