Pan & The Piper

[TheGoldenKey]

I don’t think this goes under any particular episode because it deals with both the last episode as well as S3x08.  However, if another thread has already been posted, feel free to move this over there.

 

Not sure where I’m going with this but thought I’d throw my thoughts out in the ring.  Regarding Pan as the Piper.  Surprised no one has mentioned his coat of many colours.  I took that as a nod to Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat based on Joseph in the bible.  Joseph was a seer who had dreams and could read other people’s dreams.  He was also nearly murdered by his brothers, who were very jealous of him, and was sold into slavery by them.  So, we’ve got a seer who dreams and interprets dreams as well as a betrayal by his brothers.   Is Pan a seer and is he Rumple’s brother?  I also wonder if maybe Pan didn’t murder Rumple’s father, Colin.  Perhaps that’s why Rumple is so very fearful of Pan.  I’m also wondering if Colin, or rather, what’s left of Colin, isn’t the shadow that Pan is controlling?  Did Pan perform some sort of dark magically curse in order to stay young and create his own NL by killing Colin and taking his shadow?  Remember, Reggie killed her father and took his heart in order to create her curse.

[tiara_rose]

you could be on something… I love your theory

I also thought it weared that only Rumple and Pan can live without their shadow. Maybe it is a family thing and not a DarkMagical thing.

Heros don't get their Happy Ending!

[TheGoldenKey]

Thanks tiara_rose 🙂

I was also wondering if it actually was a heart Pan needed to create his curse to stay young.  Maybe it was Colin’s heart rather than his shadow.  In any event, I think Pan killed Colin be it for his heart or shadow.

 

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[RumplesGirl]

First, welcome back. Haven’t seen you in awhile.

Second, yeah this can stay here since it has spoiler stuff.

Third, I’ve been on TeamBrothers (PP and Rumple) since the summer. Trust me, you’re not alone on this.

Fourth, I think Rumple and Pan’s father ran away. I think he abandoned Rumple, his youngest. My whole headcanon is that Rumple’s mother died in childbirth and this turned Colin mean and cruel. He mentally and emotionally abused Rumple and Peter. Peter eventually fled promising to come back for Rumple when he could but he never did.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheGoldenKey]

Thanks RG, it’s good to be back 🙂

I think that first preview from D23 really gave it away with the blue/white doll.  Ben Linus from Lost had a pair that his childhood friend had given him.  I’ve been tossing and turning between friend or bro for a while now.

But the dreamcoat sure clinched it for me.  Joseph and his brothers 😉

I like the idea of Rumple’s father running away and his brother running away.  That would just add to Rumple’s feelings of abandonment.

Abandonment, heart plucking, shadow peeling, whatever lies ahead, it’s going to be good!  🙂

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Slurpeez]

I’m slowly coming around to the idea that Rumple and PP are brothers, especially having now seen them interact in 3×4 and discovering they were close as children. I love your idea about Joseph and his brothers. I was also thinking that PP said NL used to be visited by children in their dreams and his rainbow-colored coat might have reflected that NL was fueled by good dreams. Yet, over time as children have stopped believing, NL has slowly gotten darker, which is reflected now by PP’s black outfit in current-day NL. It’s almost like PP’s attire could match the status of NL; one theory is that PP’s life is tied to the magic of NL.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[TheGoldenKey]

Slurpeez!!!!!  🙂  🙂  🙂   (I’m waving and smiling but where are all the emoticons????

Like you, I’m still not 100% sold on the brothers.  I find so little has been given out in terms of clues this season, it’s really hard to form a theory with clues/nods/canon to back it up.

They did compare Pan to Kurtz in Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness.  Apocalypse Now was based on that book and Marlon Brando played Colonel Kurtz.  He deserted his army and became a murderous savage.

Think I’ll throw the movie on and see if I can pick up anything.   Never viewed it before from a fairy tale aspect.  That’s something new.  LOL!

PS  I may be repeated things already said.  Please, “don’t be a Neal” and forgive me 🙂  I will try to read things but I’ve got months of catching up to do.  😉

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Phee]

Good luck catching up, GoldenKey. Sometimes I can barely keep caught up, and I’m here every day. 😉

Surprised no one has mentioned his coat of many colours.

I honestly hadn’t given it a second thought, because the Pied Piper is meant to wear pied clothing, which is meant to be patches of various colours.

Joseph was a seer who had dreams and could read other people’s dreams. He was also nearly murdered by his brothers, who were very jealous of him, and was sold into slavery by them. So, we’ve got a seer who dreams and interprets dreams as well as a betrayal by his brothers. Is Pan a seer and is he Rumple’s brother?

Though I hadn’t considered the “cloak of many colours” thing, it’s an interesting point you make about Joseph and the dreams. Pan told Rumple that children visited NL in their dreams. And yes, I’ve always figured Pan either was a Seer himself, or had access to a Seer, (now starting to think it’s the former). and yes, along with RG, I’ve been a major player for TeamBrothers for a while now.

I also wonder if maybe Pan didn’t murder Rumple’s father, Colin. Perhaps that’s why Rumple is so very fearful of Pan.

I’ve wondered if PapaStiiltskin might be being held captive in NL, based on he spoiler that he’s meant to be in both 308 and 311, and I’m guessing 311 will be lots of present day NL action. My current headcanon is that Rumple and Pan’s mother died giving birth to Rumple, who became the favoured child, who was resented and bullied by his older brother, who eventually had had enough and buggered off to NL. Peter Pan leaving for NL because he felt his parents had replaced him with a new child is directly from Barrie’s original.

Rumple’s father “abandoning” him may well have been Pan kidnapping him, because he believed that baby brother had “stolen” him, so he stole him back. Perhaps Pan has been able to force their father to watch as his favoured son’s life went to hell. (I’m thinking something like Tolkien’s Children of Hurin, which, long, tragic story short: Morgoth cursed Hurin’s family, captured Hurin, sat him on the side of a mountain and give him the gift of sight so he could be tortured as he watched the cursed lives of his wife and children play out. His son, Turin, had an especially angst ridden, cursed life, not cursed in the same sense that Rumple was, but still cursed in a way that basically destroyed him.)

[PriceofMagic]

I think the 308 appearance of Rumple’s father will be flashback whilst the 311 appearance will be Rumple finally confronting and overcoming his abandonment issues. We’ve had Vision Belle so why not have Viision Rumple’s dad.

I think the fact they mentioned the pied cloak in 304 could be so people didn’t think it was the technicolour dreamcoat. Once is trying to stay away from religious connotations.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

I think the 308 appearance of Rumple’s father will be flashback whilst the 311 appearance will be Rumple finally confronting and overcoming his abandonment issues. We’ve had Vision Belle so why not have Viision Rumple’s dad. I think the fact they mentioned the pied cloak in 304 could be so people didn’t think it was the technicolour dreamcoat. Once is trying to stay away from religious connotations.

Maybe Vision!Belle and Vision!Dad at the same time, the angel and the devil motif so to speak.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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