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Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Four › 4×22 “Operation Mongoose,” part 2 › Perhaps Rumple will Try to Kill Emma

Tagged: Belle French, character development, curse redemption, Emma Swan, killing, ouat, Rumplestiltskin

  • This topic has 46 replies, 13 voices, and was last updated 10 years ago by Grace Heather.
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  • May 13, 2015 at 9:09 am #304723
    JML
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    Removing the “Dark One” from Rumple, I’m guessing, only resets him to his previous form.  He will be the weak coward, hungry for power, and willing to do all the wrong things to get power.  I think he will attempt to get the dagger and kill Emma with it, thus regaining his powers as the “Dark One”.

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    May 13, 2015 at 9:23 am #304731
    RumplesGirl
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    If Rumple wakes up from his magically induced hat sucking coma and all he wants to do is regain all his power, I am 100% done with his character. He CANT DO THIS again; not after his talk with Belle on the pawn shop floor.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    May 13, 2015 at 9:30 am #304733
    Keb
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    I could only see that happening if his heart returns to a strong enough form to take on the darkness again AND he believes it’s necessary to protect Belle/Henry from Emma. He took on the DO powers to protect Baelfire, not because he was hungry for power. He was desperate, afraid, and, he believed, powerless before, and he’s since sought to escape ever going back to that state–but the only time we’ve seen him make a grab for power just to have the power is with the Hat in 4A (and, knowing how close his heart was to going dark, it’s arguable that he believed it was necessary to protect Belle and Henry as well as himself…but his speech at the town line suggested otherwise. However, it was also an opportunity that the show indicated ANY Dark One would be tempted by, and his actions were more opportunistic than carefully orchestrated).

    His attempt with the author was an attempt to escape the price of his power…but he was also trying to escape having the DO unleashed. He tethered it for centuries by tying himself to the deals he made, and I’ve believed since S1 that this was an intentional move to keep himself in check as well as to escape part of the price of his magic (and build up his power and influence). We have seen him use other means to keep himself in check, like not healing his leg once he had magic in Storybrooke–he kept the limp until he needed to be free of it to save Henry, because it was a link to his son, a reminder of why he had done all the things he’d done.

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

    May 13, 2015 at 9:31 am #304734
    JML
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    If Rumple wakes up from his magically induced hat sucking coma and all he wants to do is regain all his power, I am 100% done with his character. He CANT DO THIS again; not after his talk with Belle on the pawn shop floor.

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     It would be consistent with everything he’s done in the past.  He’s chosen power over his son, he’s chosen power over his true love.  When he was living in New York without power, the only thing he did was plot to get his power back.  He definitely does not do well without power.

    May 13, 2015 at 9:34 am #304735
    obisgirl
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    Removing the “Dark One” from Rumple, I’m guessing, only resets him to his previous form. He will be the weak coward, hungry for power, and willing to do all the wrong things to get power. I think he will attempt to get the dagger and kill Emma with it, thus regaining his powers as the “Dark One”.

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    I expect him to struggle.  Addicts always struggle, you can’t go clean overnight; that’s just not realistic.

    But…

    If Rumple wakes up from his magically induced hat sucking coma and all he wants to do is regain all his power, I am 100% done with his character. He CANT DO THIS again; not after his talk with Belle on the pawn shop floor.

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    I’m with @rumplesgirl. Him trying to steal his power back from Emma would be ridiculous.  I was done with his character a long time ago, but this would further cement my hatred for him.

    I think he’ll still have that selfish/greedy streak in him, though.

    May 13, 2015 at 9:37 am #304736
    RumplesGirl
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    RumplesGirl wrote:

    If Rumple wakes up from his magically induced hat sucking coma and all he wants to do is regain all his power, I am 100% done with his character. He CANT DO THIS again; not after his talk with Belle on the pawn shop floor.

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    It would be consistent with everything he’s done in the past. He’s chosen power over his son, he’s chosen power over his true love. When he was living in New York without power, the only thing he did was plot to get his power back. He definitely does not do well without power.

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    So everyone gets character development except Rumple? He doesn’t get to have breakthroughs like the one he seemed on the verge of in the pawn shop in 422 and then go straight back to “all the power!” the next moment without me calling shenanigans on the writers. It’s time. They have written themselves into a corner with him and his development in S4 (in that he became something that was Not!Rumple because while he’s always wanted power he has always had a very human side with his desire for love and family and acceptance) and if they just take him further down then there is no coming back. Either they want to redeem him and make him human and interesting or they want their cliche black hat for no other reason than they find goodness boring (see: Snow White and Prince Charming post S1)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    May 13, 2015 at 9:39 am #304737
    Keb
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    He’s a coward, afraid to be powerless because he’s experienced it and how it can take away everything he loves.

    Every time he chose power over those he loved, he repented and was pretty severely punished. And every time he’s done it, it was because he was afraid–afraid of being unable to protect himself and losing his son/Belle, afraid of something worse happening.

    It’s not power that drives Rumplestiltskin. It’s fear. Power is what he believes will stop the fear. He’s wrong, and we as the audience recognize that, but the core motivation for just about everything Rumple has done is fear. And his greatest fear is that he is unloveable.

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

    May 13, 2015 at 9:39 am #304738
    RumplesGirl
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    I think he’ll still have that selfish/greedy streak in him, though.

    Having a selfish/greedy streak is one thing. Even Regina still flirts with the darkness and greedy nature herself. But it’s acting on those inner tendencies that will drive me up a wall if they make him power hungry devil man again.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    May 13, 2015 at 9:41 am #304739
    JML
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    obisgirl wrote:

    I think he’ll still have that selfish/greedy streak in him, though.

    Having a selfish/greedy streak is one thing. Even Regina still flirts with the darkness and greedy nature herself. But it’s acting on those inner tendencies that will drive me up a wall if they make him power hungry devil man again.

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    I think the show has made a definite distinction between Regina’s character and Rumple’s regarding their ability to redeem themselves.

    May 13, 2015 at 9:42 am #304740
    RumplesGirl
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    And every time he’s done it, it was because he was afraid–afraid of being unable to protect himself and losing his son/Belle, afraid of something worse happening.

    Except in S4 when they gave him no motivation except the ones fans are ascribing to him in their own heads because on screen it was all about “must have all the power for reasons!” It wasn’t to bring back Nealfire; it wasn’t to keep Belle; it wasn’t because Ingrid was threatening him and his family (in fact Rumple made a deal with her to spare those he cares about the most) it was because “he’s the devil himself” according to Eddy.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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