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My point is if Rumple listened to Milah’s concerns in the Crocodile and moved, she wouldn’t have left with Hook. Because if he had, their marriage would have had a chance to be fixed.
Same thing with Bae. If Rumple listened to what Bae wanted, he wouldn’t have gone to great lengths to seek out the Blue Fairy. Bae said to him, ‘You know, you could just give up the power’ and he made an excuse to keep it.
With Belle, if Rumple had been more honest with her (because honesty is the huge issue in that relationship), she wouldn’t have left him multiple times.
Rumple alone had the power to fix what was wrong if he simply listened to what these women & Bae wanted from him instead of ignoring them.
[adrotate group="5"]My point is if Rumple listened to Milah’s concerns in the Crocodile and moved, she wouldn’t have left with Hook. Because if he had, their marriage would have had a chance to be fixed.
I disagree. I think Rumple’s and Milah’s marriage was on an irreversible downward trajectory the moment he returned from the ogre war and she said he should’ve died instead of returning as a coward. Rumple and Milah were miserable, moving wouldn’t have fixed anything because the problems were within the relationship itself not their location.
Milah would’ve left with Hook anyway, because for Milah, Hook was everything Rumple was not.
Also, Rumple’s hesitance to move can be traced back to his childhood and his father. Rumple suggested moving with his father to a place nobody knew them, and look how that turned out for him. The dialogue between ChildRumple/Malcolm and Rumple/Milah has a lot of similarities and mirroring. For Rumple, it’s history repeating itself.
Same thing with Bae. If Rumple listened to what Bae wanted, he wouldn’t have gone to great lengths to seek out the Blue Fairy. Bae said to him, ‘You know, you could just give up the power’ and he made an excuse to keep it.
Rumple believed he needed the power to protect Bae and that without it, he’d go back to being the weak spinner that everyone looked down on. Young Bae is a bit of an idealist and didn’t always see the bigger picture.
With Belle, if Rumple had been more honest with her (because honesty is the huge issue in that relationship), she wouldn’t have left him multiple times.
Rumple does need to learn to be more honest with Belle, and he has made progress on that front over the course of the 4 seasons. However, he does still have trust issues that he struggles to overcome much like Emma in the early seasons. Rumple seems to endure a lot of history repeating itself so he’s almost waiting for Belle to leave him. He loves her so he’s afraid that if he reveals to much to her, if she sees the real him, that she’ll leave him like Milah and Cora did before. That fear is what causes him to hold back, and holding back is what causes him to push Belle away.
Rumple alone had the power to fix what was wrong if he simply listened to what these women & Bae wanted from him instead of ignoring them.
Rumple has deep-seated issues stemming from his childhood and abandonment by his father. For Rumple, there is a lot of history repeating itself so there is no easy fix-it.
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Keeper of FelixYes, you’re right Rumple is a saint and he’s not accountable for anything he does at all. . I’m not sure why I even bother talking.
But the reality is, everyone is accountable for their actions because they were choices they made.
Rumple had a choice in almost all relationships to shift the course into a positive light. You love Rumple, PriceofMagic, don’t deny his agency. He’s flawed. If you at least admit that, maybe I won’t have heart palpitations.
Yes, you’re right Rumple is a saint and he’s not accountable for anything he does at all. <em class=”d4pbbc-italic” i=”m”>. I’m not sure why I even bother talking.
But the reality is, everyone is accountable for their actions because they were choices they made.
Rumple had a choice in almost all relationships to shift the course into a positive light. You love Rumple, PriceofMagic, don’t deny his agency. He’s flawed. If you at least admit that, maybe I won’t have heart palpitations.
Everyone is accountable for their actions except Hook because Hook gets away with everything. St Hook can do no wrong. I’m not denying Rumple’s agency, but you’re making it seem like Rumple is solely to blame when there are in fact other factors at play.
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Keeper of FelixEH GADS
Do I need to separate you two?
Knock off the attacks that are getting a bit too personal with regards to “favoritism”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"EH GADS
Do I need to separate you two?
Knock off the attacks that are getting a bit too personal with regards to “favoritism”
I’m having heart palpitations again. This forum gives me so much stress on a daily basis and I’m not even the moderator.
Can this thread be closed?
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This thread will not be closed for the time being, but I am going to ask that everyone conduct their conversations with relations to the text that is OUAT and NOT turn it into a series of personal attacks based on who likes whom. The conversation is about Rumple and whether or not he might try to hurt Emma. Keep the conversation focused on the ins and outs of that and leave each other alone.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"My point was that his fear explained his actions to me, not that it excused them. And I agree that Belle is VERY different from Milah or Cora, but Rumple hasn’t overcome that yet.
And THAT is relevant here because that’s something that links him very closely to our new Dark One, Emma. The parallels they’ve created between the two are actually surprisingly strong now that I think about it.
So the question of whether one will harm the other is, to me, very up in the air–similarities can bring people together or make them insufferable to each other.
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I don’t think Rumple will try to kill Emma. I think without the darkness’ influence he’ll have a bit more clarity than he did whilst under the dark curse and won’t necessarily choose the darker path.
I agree with Keb that it is all up in the air.
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Keeper of FelixI don’t think Rumple will try to kill Emma. I think without the darkness’ influence he’ll have a bit more clarity than he did whilst under the dark curse and won’t necessarily choose the darker path. I agree with Keb that it is all up in the air.
I tend to agree. Here’s a question — do people think the darkness is sentient? Is it “alive” in some ways? Does it have agency? I have a theory that it’s a parasitic organism of sorts, and therefore it’s quite possible that it would significantly modify the behavior of its host to accommodate its own ends (as parasites in the real world do). If it is a parasite, the question becomes what kind? Some parasites tend to completely highjack the host’s nervous system and radically alter behavior (for example, by making the host act in a suicidal way when the parasite reaches a particular point of its developmental cycle). So what if Zoso didn’t “commit suicide by Rumple” because he was sick of being the DO, but because he was spent up and the darkness was looking for a new host? Alternatively, it doesn’t actually want its host to die, but it’s part of an inevitable process, after which point it needs to find a new host to consume.
On the other hand, some parasitic (or sometimes symbiotic) organisms act in more subtle ways. For example certain gut bacteria cause the host to have cravings for sweet foods because they thrive on sugar, and therefore “encourage” the host to modify its diet. If this is the scenario, then Rumple (or whoever the DO is) would theoretically have more say in what they’re able to do. Of course, there would be a powerful reward mechanism to “feed” the darkness — for example, by committing more “dark” acts — but the human host could arguably resist it, similarly to the person who could consciously modify their diet and exclude sugary foods to suppress the gut flora that thrives on glucose.
Again, if the darkness works on a parasitic model, it allows for a couple of convenient explanations:
– the abysmal S4 Rumple OOC — if Rumple was a dying host, it’s no wonder he was spinning out of control by the end
– why Rumple couldn’t “give up” his power or didn’t want to break the curse. That would go against the parasite’s instinct of self-preservation and interests
– why, once freed from Rumple, the darkness didn’t return to him — it’d go out to look for the strongest, most fit organism. What the parameters of that is, I’m not sure, but presumably Regina was a good fit, as was Emma
– why it didn’t just hang out as darkness, outside of a host. It seems that it needs a soul to latch onto.
And by that logic, Rumple would not go after Emma, simply because, if he even survives, of which I am not entirely convinced, he will be able to more clearheadedly weigh the benefits against the advantages of the DO curse. That doesn’t mean he won’t want to have magic — he might. But I doubt he’ll want it through the DO curse . Rumple might be neurotic, and have serious self-esteem issues, but he’s not an idiot.
My point is if Rumple listened to Milah’s concerns in the Crocodile and moved, she wouldn’t have left with Hook. Because if he had, their marriage would have had a chance to be fixed.
I don’t think I read it that way. It felt to me more like the relationship was on the rocks anyway because the two people were profoundly incompatible. Rumple was simply not the guy for Milah. No “quick fixes” — whether traveling, having a baby, or getting a pet or a mortgage 😉 would have mended the relationship. It might have delayed the inevitable, but in the end, they would have ended up miserable together, or would have split up anyway. Hook happened to be Milah’s way out.
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