Peter Pan Confirmed To Be Played by a New Male Actor

[Phee]

@Demileto wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Bummer. I held on to Nealfire Pan for so long.

You and almost everyone else on this board. 🙂 OncePodcast was totally the Nealfire Pan bunker, but in the end all the clues and connections connecting Bae to Peter Pan were totally done as a clever red herring to hide Adam and Eddy’s real intentions regarding Peter. It sucks, I know. Here, have a cookie! 🙂

Ya know, I was totally convinced of NealfirePan, but with all the new potential possibilities that have sprung up as a result of the finale, I haven’t even had time to be bummed about being wrong. 😆 Well played, Adam and Eddy. Well. Played.

Agreed. My best guess as to how Wendy comes back into play is that Peter will clash at some point with Bae (AKA my belief that Bae’s life in Neverland will resemble a lot the story of the book The Lord of the Flies) , and he’ll bring Wendy to NL again to use her against him. How long until Peter takes that decision could account for a bit of aging for her character.

That would be a cool way to bring Wendy back into it!

@Demileto wrote:

And honestly, I think it’s stretching credibility to have a 12 year old be this overlord whose plans spans centuries and involves other realms.

It would verge on comical, and I’m pretty sure comical isn’t what they’re aiming for here.

@DarkOne’s#1fan wrote:

What I meant by the 300 year old thing is that Pan is probably at least officially around Rumple’s and Hook age but he looks like he’s a person more in his I don’t know 30’s 40’s maybe 20’s if the magic is wearing off very slowly.

I’ve been thinking about this too, but sort of from a different perspective. What if PP actually wants to grow old and die? Maybe he’s sick of being centuries old and stuck in a young body, and maybe his only way out is taking over Henry’s body as a host, so he can actually grow at a normal rate and die? If the dagger is the only thing that can kill The Dark One, maybe this is the only specific way that PP can die?

Anyway, I’m on board with PP being around 20ish. That’s old enough to go head to head with a Wendy of the same age, and possibly even creepily flirt with her. It’s not too old that it would look ridiculous if Bae tried to take him on. And it’s not too young that we can’t have our adult heroes try to blast him to kingdom come as well. Can’t really show Charmingstilkskins&Co beating down on a teen. And it’s not too old that we couldn’t still get some believable, childlike aspect to his personality. So around 20 covers all bases IMO.

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@batclaw wrote:

What if Peter Pan is Rumple,s Father 😯

Hmm. Well there was a scene in Manhattan where a young Rumple watches his father sneak off into the middle of the night, but I believe is also killed. It was cut for time but H and K discussed it in their official podcast for that episode. Someone help me out…they did say that his father died right?

All I remember about that cut scene is that apparently Rumple’s father told him he was going to get some water at the well or something, and picked up a bucket on his way out the door and Rumple never saw him again. I remember this because when Milah hands over baby Bae to him and storms out, she pauses by the door to pick up a bucket, and I thought what a bummer it was that they cut the scene with his father, because the scene with Milah was meant to be an echo of it. Off the top of my head, I can’t recall if we’ve had it confirmed that his father actually died.

[HappyEndings]

Yes, Rumble’s father was killed in front in him. Rumble saw his father trying to sneak out and Rumble asked him where he was going and his father said to the well to get water then Rumble asked him where is the bucket to carry the water? Then a couple of guys jumped Rumbles father and killed him because Rumbles father owed them money the men that killed Rumbles father took him to the spinsters and yes this part was cut out of episode which was a bummer.

1) Question is what happened to Rumbles mother did she leave Rumbles father like Milan did to Rumble and maybe ran off and had another child say maybe Hook? ❓

2) How old was Rumble when his father left him? ❓

3) Who are the spinsters ❓

[batclaw]

Ok I guess if he is dead that theory is out new one Peter Pan is Hook and Milah son which he would be Bae,s half brother. Ok I know this may sound crazy but what if they get a older Peter Pan in other words SwanPan or QueenPan 😀 I think Peter would have been a better Father for Henry.

[Phee]

From the official podcast for Manhattan:

Originally the episode started a little differently, which was that the first, fairytale flashback scene was of a young boy. He wakes up in the middle of the night and he sees his father and his father looks harried and he says, “What are you doing?” And the father says, “Oh I just need to go get water,” and then the father leaves and the boy goes, “But you forgot the pail.” And the little boy goes out and you see that the father was running out on him, and you realise that this is Rumplestiltskin, this is his father, and his father owes money to these two men and he was trying to run out. And they end up killing the father in front of him and you realise the father was going to abandon him, and his father was a coward.

[Demileto]

@batclaw wrote:

Ok I guess if he is dead that theory is out new one Peter Pan is Hook and Milah son which he would be Bae,s half brother.

I had that brief thought once, but since Bae already finds a Peter pretty well established as the overlord of Neverland I think we can safely say that’s not the case since it’d take him a lot of time to reach that point.

I can see potential, however, for Peter and Bae to be brothers in spirit. The speculation that Peter is the original Dark One is not new, but how about him being another son of a Dark One, one conceived and born DURING his father’s reign, thus inheriting the power? They’ve given Bae so many connections to the Peter Pan tale, it’d only be natural to have Peter’s life parallels Bae’s at some level.

Side note: I have all these head canons because my ADD brain can’t help but build whole stories out of the shows I’m currently stoked about. I could probably make a whole fanfiction out of Peter’s rise and fall if only my ADD brain also didn’t make me propense to not bother with the effort it takes to do that! 😆

[RumplesGirl]

Thanks for the transcript portion, Phee.

@Happy Endings wrote:

1) Question is what happened to Rumbles mother did she leave Rumbles father like Milan did to Rumble and maybe ran off and had another child say maybe Hook? ❓

2) How old was Rumble when his father left him? ❓

3) Who are the spinsters

1) We don’t know, but I get the feeling Rumple’s mother died, maybe in child birth

2) Young. For poetic sake, I’d say 14 like Bae

3) We don’t know, just that they raised Rumple.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Myril]

@Demileto wrote:

@batclaw wrote:

Ok I guess if he is dead that theory is out new one Peter Pan is Hook and Milah son which he would be Bae,s half brother.

I had that brief thought once, but since Bae already finds a Peter pretty well established as the overlord of Neverland I think we can safely say that’s not the case since it’d take him a lot of time to reach that point.

Besides that (although had been said, that time works differently in Neverland, but still might be not enough time)
– as far as we know Milah never has been to Neverland. We only know that Hook went there after she was killed, using the bean Smee had
– so the, child would have been born in the Enchanted Forest, how did it get to Neverland?
– if Milah had given birth to another child I’m pretty sure, they would have tried to get Bae as well, think Hook wasn’t telling Bae a lie when he said, that Milah felt not good about leaving him behind and wanted to get him, when she felt he would be old enough to live a pirate’s life
– because Milah was living a pirate’s life I am pretty sure she used means to avoid getting pregnant.

There has been no hint I am aware of that Hook ever had a child

Sorry to kill this idea before it starts blooming. 😉

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[tiara_rose]

it could be still Hook that is Peter Pan as a boy. They would need a a boy that look similar to him, but he could be his past. I mean Ausiello said that more information about Peter would be too spoilery, maybe cause of his look that will us remind us awfully lot about someone. (cold blue eyes and black hair, handsome, and a smile – sigh)

My theory about this then would be. Hook was once Peter Pan in Neverland the first lost boy, who was rescued by Tinkerbell. Thy rescued even more and so the first bunch of the lost boy were on the island to make adventures. Once on their journeys the found a broken raft with a man on the beach. The man was a sailor who tried to go away of his old land with a portal (maybe a bean_I think that he had posessed a few, stolen by the first Dark One), but it was a normal raft, so it didn’t quite worked out. The name of the man was Edward England (1720, escape of madagascar). He still from the DarkOne, cause he wanted to find his son, who was taken from the fairies.(History always repeats itself). They take him, cause he fall out from the basket. (Peter Pan story)

In the begining the boys were sceptic, but after the stories Edward told them (without the one of his son), about adventures, foreign countries and “Davy Jones Locker”. Edward try to bond with Peter, cause after the story about Peter, he can recognized the fairy that took away his son, but he didn’t say a word to Peter, cause he was afraid how he would react.After a while they want to join Edward so they build a ship,. They maked it out of enchanted wood that Peter knows, where they grow.And so they build the Jolly Roger, that was named for the flagg of the ship himself, but when the time come to go together on adventures with the Jolly Rogers, something happens and Edward betrayed them and flee in the middle of the night, He was haunted by the first dark one, cause the Dark One would kill anybody to get him, so he left with a bean to the enchanted forest and begin a new life and maybe got a family.

His wife had died by the born of their child and because in the time of the labor, there were a storm outside, which was rumble on the house, because of that the boys name was “Rumplestilstkin”. Years gone by, but one night the Dark One found him again and he escaped again (I know he is supposed to be dead, but they didn’t show it on the show, and remember in the beginning of the series, they name on the script for Prince charming was Richard). So he rescued himself again on Neverland, but Peter was not there anymore.

This time he wanted to do something against the Dark One and goes to the fairies, but they couln’t help, so he asked the mermaids who bring him to a cursed witch that lived on the ground of the ocean. She told him for a price that the DarkOne could be killed by only 3 ways. First: True loves kiss (but who would kiss him?) Second: by his dagger (but this is most impossibile to get and the curse will go upon him) and third by a boy, which she made him a picture of Henry. The price he had to pay for her answer were his heart who she take from his body and by the way taught him magic. He give it to hr willingly. After so many years loosing all the people he loves it was him a pleasure to give it away.

This is the begining of HIM. The fairies take away his son and didn’t help him when he asks again, so now he has taken all the fairies in Neverland in prison and use the shadows of the boys who don’t obey him to find the child, to get read of his old enemy that not really exist anymore (Zoso, ore even that before him is dead).

The shadow collects more and more children and the parents who are left behind make a organization with person who has happened the same. I think that in the beginning they wouldn’t think that it was magic. This is when Wendy comes into play. After what happened to Bae the shadow returns and wants to take her brothers and she goes with them to look after them, cause their parents didn’t want to believe her and she want to rescue them or stay there with them. She goes their and speak with HIM. He told her that he only wants one boy, who should appear in her realm. If she helps to find him. He will help her to convince their parents of magic and help her to get rid of it in her realm, cause magic not really should be there and is only brought there from other realms, so if she say yes she could not only rescue her brothers but everybody from there land from the pure evil called „MAGIC“. (This all happened when Bae was on the ship by Hook)
She said yes and returned with their brothers in the morning. She show their parents the shadow and convinced them of the evil o magic and so the Home Office begins with their search and destroying of magic.

Now they have found the child and bring Henry to HIM and not even Him knows that Henry is his own great-grandson and that even the DarkOne is his own son.

(I think I need a Archie…)

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[Demileto]

@tiara_rose wrote:

it could be still Hook that is Peter Pan as a boy. They would need a a boy that look similar to him, but he could be his past. I mean Ausiello said that more information about Peter would be too spoilery, maybe cause of his look that will us remind us awfully lot about someone. (cold blue eyes and black hair, handsome, and a smile – sigh)

But Hook and Smee were both talking about Peter as if he was someone they only heard of; Hook would necessarily have to have a brain lobotomy to not be addressing Pan as being a younger version of him. Furthermore, Adam and Eddy already said there’s no time travel involved in OUAT. How can Hook as an adult and as a young boy coexist at the same time if time travel isn’t involved?

The better explanations are usually the simpler ones.

[RumplesGirl]

@Demileto wrote:

@tiara_rose wrote:

it could be still Hook that is Peter Pan as a boy. They would need a a boy that look similar to him, but he could be his past. I mean Ausiello said that more information about Peter would be too spoilery, maybe cause of his look that will us remind us awfully lot about someone. (cold blue eyes and black hair, handsome, and a smile – sigh)

But Hook and Smee were both talking about Peter as if he was someone they only heard of; Hook would necessarily have to have a brain lobotomy to not be addressing Pan as being a younger version of him. Furthermore, Adam and Eddy already said there’s no time travel involved in OUAT. How can Hook as an adult and as a young boy coexist at the same time if time travel isn’t involved?

The better explanations are usually the simpler ones.

Yes, A and E have said there won’t be time travel and I think we need to remember that they need to keep it simple enough for the causal viewer to understand.

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