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Did anyone notice a Bear in the the screen on the left side of the guy in the cloak when the 1st scene I don’t know what you call the main screen with the music but you can see the bear or maybe it is a wolf even when you rewatch the 2nd scene with Emma and Regina
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Did anyone notice a Bear in the the screen on the left side of the guy in the cloak when the 1st scene I don’t know what you call the main screen with the music but you can see the bear or maybe it is a wolf even when you rewatch the 2nd scene with Emma and Regina
It’s not a bear, it’s a wolf, and it’s the title card for “Red Handed.” The hooded figure is Red/Ruby. The promotional team often recycles old title cards for sneaks peeks. I’m not sure why, but it’s probably to avoid revealing the actual title card for the new episode before it actually airs. These sneak peeks first premiere before the actual new episode does.
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@RumplesGirl wrote:
If PP is a “good guy” then I’m going to need a really exact and precise reason for why he’s holding crying boys hostage and ripping shadows from them.
Not to mention Felix saying that Bae gets to live due to him not being his future son, clearly implying that Peter Pan intends to kill Henry once he finds him.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
H and K have said they want to do PP and NL different from all the other adaptations. PP in those is the boy who didn’t want to grow up but he’s not evil or bad, he’s just the very embodiment of childhood. However Once’s take is already far darker: older more sinister Lost Ones, crying children, ripping shadows, and even the Pirates seem scared of PP. I don’t think he’s going to be a good guy.
What RumplesGirl said. More to the point, this is an universe where magic comes with a price, and no price is absolutely paid by Peter Pan for using it in his tale. Clearly a change had to happen to fit the rules of Onceverse, and Peter just happens to be the one character normally portrayed as a hero where it isn’t that big a stretch to turn him into a villain due to his personality being defined by so many negative traits.
He’s certain to have a sob story explaining how he became who he is today, but he’s definitely not going to be the good guy we’re used to see.
I don,t think PP will be bad I think it,s his shadow captureing boys and he needs to find his shadow and retached himself with it.Also Disney would not let PP be bad it would not look good with mom,s and dad,s knowing that Disney is letting this show turning everyone childhood hero into a villain they would not want there kids watching that if PP was bad I been wondeing why PP was not with the LB when they was looking for Bae then it hit me PP was with Wendy and her brothers after the shadow got Bae PP came and told Wendy that he needs help that his shadow is going crazy captureing boys and does not know how to retached himself with the shadow and then I think he said to Wendy is if she help him with his shadow then they could find Bae and bring him home so while LB was looking for Bae PP was showing Wendy and her brothers NL.
H and K said at Paleyfest this year that Disney has basically given them close to free license when it comes to the classic stories, hence why Snow’s heart could go dark and why she could kill Cora. Disney wants and H and K to tell THEIR story, not the Disney story. And also, the rights of PP are not Disney’s. They belong to a hospital, hence why it took forever to get them.
The only time Disney has ever interfered was when they wanted to kill Charming in the pilot and it was nixed.Plus look at everything else they’ve done:
The Evil Queen can be sympathetic
Hook is not a true villain (another reason why Pan has to be–someone’s gotta be the villain)
Rumple is the Beast and not really evil"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@batclaw wrote:
I don,t think PP will be bad I think it,s his shadow captureing boys and he needs to find his shadow and retached himself with it.Also Disney would not let PP be bad it would not look good with mom,s and dad,s knowing that Disney is letting this show turning everyone childhood hero into a villain they would not want there kids watching that if PP was bad I been wondeing why PP was not with the LB when they was looking for Bae then it hit me PP was with Wendy and her brothers after the shadow got Bae PP came and told Wendy that he needs help that his shadow is going crazy captureing boys and does not know how to retached himself with the shadow and then I think he said to Wendy is if she help him with his shadow then they could find Bae and bring him home so while LB was looking for Bae PP was showing Wendy and her brothers NL.
Why is it so hard for you to believe Peter Pan can be a villain? This is how Wikipedia describes him:
Peter is mainly an exaggerated stereotype of a boastful and careless boy. He is quick to point out how great he is, even when such claims are questionable (such as when he congratulates himself for Wendy’s successful re-attachment of his shadow). In the book and play, as well as both film adaptations, Peter either symbolises or personifies the selfishness of childhood, shown in Barrie’s work through constant forgetfulness and self-centred behaviour.
Peter has a nonchalant, devil-may-care attitude, and is fearlessly cocky when it comes to putting himself in danger. Barrie writes that when Peter thought he was going to die on Marooners’ Rock, he felt scared, yet he felt only one shudder run through him when any other person would have felt scared up until death. With his blithe attitude towards death, he says, “To die will be an awfully big adventure”. He repeats this line as an adult in the film Hook (1991), during the battle with Hook near the film’s climax. He then inverts the phrase at the film’s very end claiming, “To live will be an awfully big adventure”. This line was actually taken from the end of the last scene in the play, when the unseen and unnamed narrator ponders what might have been if Peter had stayed with Wendy, so that his cry might have become, “To live would be an awfully big adventure!”, “but he can never quite get the hang of it”.[3]
In some variations of the story and some spin-offs, Peter can also be quite selfish and arrogant. In the Disney adaptation (1953), Peter appears very judgemental and pompous (for instance, he calls the Lost Boys “blockheads”, and when the Darling children say they should leave for home at once, he misunderstands their wish and angrily assumes they want to grow up). Nonetheless, he has a strong sense of justice and is always quick to assist those in danger.
Bolded the most interesting excerpts. I see far more negative personality traits to the character here than positive ones. It’s very within the realm of possibility to have Peter Pan be a villain if they so wish, it wouldn’t be that much a stretch at all!
Trivia: according to Disney wiki, “even though his film was a success, Peter Pan was not one of Walt Disney’s favorite characters because he felt Pan was too immature and cold.”
Nice finds! Yes, Peter Pan has never really been a “hero,” he’s the embodiment of childhood, both the good and the bad. He’s perfectly find keeping Wendy and her brothers on NL forever, he is selfish and arrogant, and his actions hurt others (like Tink).
It could be that Slurpeez got it right in posting that Peter could turn out to be a young teen who wished to never grow old but didn’t understand the deal he made and thus made more sympathetic in our eyes. But until that happens, he’s our Big Bad."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think PP is trapped like the lost boys and doesn’t know how to get out of the orginal deal that he made with the “office” 😕
@HappyEndings wrote:
I think PP is trapped like the lost boys and doesn’t know how to get out of the orginal deal that he made with the “office” 😕
That’s interesting! So he’s a puppet? Who runs the Office then?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think there’s always been that hidden edge to the character of Peter Pan, as others have said, that dark side of childhood. We sometimes glamorize how kids are, as all sweet and innocent and forget that we often do call bad behavior “childish” or “immature”.
If they do make Peter permanently stuck and unable to grow up because of magic, I could see how he might eventually come to want to rid the world of magic to be free of his curse. If they bring in some of the themes in Tuck Everlasting (a novel, which Disney turned into a movie), it could soften his background story, but still leave him as dangerous. Basically focus on the idea that the magic took him out of the natural order of life and he wants to return to it.
While I was googling to try to remember the title of that novel, I stumbled on this one, about Peter Pan. This novel sounds remarkably like the theories we are kicking around….The Child Thief. That’s the page on Amazon. I haven’t read it–the reviews make the details sound way too dark for where OUAT would go with it. Just interesting because maybe the writers have seen it so would avoid anything too close to that story.
HappyEndings–that’s an interesting idea–we’ve all assumed that the HO are puppets of Pan, but it could be the other way as well.
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