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May 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm #193718swanning-offParticipant
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[adrotate group="5"]May 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm #193746DemiletoParticipant@Phee wrote:
Love that even though I was COMPLETELY spoiled for this ep, I was totally blindsided by this stuff. Well played, show! The moment when they said Bae didn’t match the pic, and I realised it was gonna be Henry that PP is looking for, my jaw dropped open and I got chills. 😮
Oh, yeah. We guessed some details wrong, but most of the events were very much spoiled or deduced, like Belle regaining her memories, Hook having a soft spot for Bae, Emma and Regina together stopping the apocalypse and GOAT kidnapping Henry and taking him to Neverland. But Peter Pan a villain and the head of the Home Office? I have to kudos Adam and Eddy, they did a clever job building a red herring out of Baelfire, inducing us to believe he would turn out to be Peter Pan with so many connections to the tale in his life, and then dump this bombshell on us! 🙂
May 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm #193779PheeParticipantCould PP be the one who provided Regina with the failsafe? It would certainly explain how THO actually knew what it was, and how to use it. Its purpose was to wipe out everyone else in SB except Henry, which would make it easy for GOAT, (who we now know are PP’s minions, whether they realise that themselves or not) to grab Henry, and Henry is who PP has been looking for. PP, has some badass seer skillz if he orchestrated that failsafe, knowing this day would come.
May 14, 2013 at 4:56 pm #194256beastwhispererParticipant@myril wrote:
The idea of Wendy, the Darlings starting the thing was, well, too convenient for my taste, too much still Disney, but I have sometimes a dark, wicked mind if it comes to story telling. Of course it would have been a dark twist in some way too, if the Home Office had started as something different, something to bring back Bae for good, but even that sounded too predictable to me.
Actually, this whole episode makes me more convinced that the Darlings started the Home Office. Greg and Tamara’s original mission was to destroy magic, and that could definitely be the ultimate goal of the Darlings after SSTTR. But there’s another goal that makes sense for the Darlings that I think comes into play here. In the original tale Wendy brings the Lost Boys home to our world. Remember how she was affected by her experience of hearing them crying in the dark. I think she made a treaty with Peter Pan for that very purpose, probably after SSTTR. Something like: “We give you this one boy you’re looking for, and you give us back all the children that you’ve taken and never come here again.” That’s the type of deal I think they could have made many years ago.
I think as soon as the HO found out about Henry, they discovered their chance to fulfill the treaty and this purpose. At the same time, the HO wouldn’t know what Peter Pan and the Lost Ones intend to do, and I think the entire HO is being manipulated by him as Rumple’s words suggest to me. You don’t just keep the Darlings entirely out of the story once Peter Pan gets introduced. It’d be bad form. Trying to save lots of innocent children at any cost fits amongst the moral dilemmas that this show brings to its characters, and I think that’s where H&K might be going.
May 14, 2013 at 6:58 pm #194325MyrilParticipant@BeastWhisperer wrote:
@myril wrote:
The idea of Wendy, the Darlings starting the thing was, well, too convenient for my taste, too much still Disney, but I have sometimes a dark, wicked mind if it comes to story telling. Of course it would have been a dark twist in some way too, if the Home Office had started as something different, something to bring back Bae for good, but even that sounded too predictable to me.
Actually, this whole episode makes me more convinced that the Darlings started the Home Office. Greg and Tamara’s original mission was to destroy magic, and that could definitely be the ultimate goal of the Darlings after SSTTR. But there’s another goal that makes sense for the Darlings that I think comes into play here. In the original tale Wendy brings the Lost Boys home to our world. Remember how she was affected by her experience of hearing them crying in the dark. I think she made a treaty with Peter Pan for that very purpose, probably after SSTTR. Something like: “We give you this one boy you’re looking for, and you give us back all the children that you’ve taken and never come here again.” That’s the type of deal I think they could have made many years ago.
I think as soon as the HO found out about Henry, they discovered their chance to fulfill the treaty and this purpose. At the same time, the HO wouldn’t know what Peter Pan and the Lost Ones intend to do, and I think the entire HO is being manipulated by him as Rumple’s words suggest to me. You don’t just keep the Darlings entirely out of the story once Peter Pan gets introduced. It’d be bad form. Trying to save lots of innocent children at any cost fits amongst the moral dilemmas that this show brings to its characters, and I think that’s where H&K might be going.
That makes some sense to me. Not a big fan of Home Office story at all, but your idea is good.
Notice while watching the episode again, that they lead us to make this connection, that Home Office work for whoever “HIM” is, like the Lost Boys, might be even “HIM”, but they never say it does. We know that “HIM” has been looking for Henry for maybe one or two or more centuries, we know that the Lost Boys are involved in it, we know Peter Pan is (not sure he is “HIM”), and we know there is a shadow traveling between at least Neverland and another world (ourworld or a fictional world) looking for boys to find Henry. As well we know that Greg and Tamara despite all their holy bable against magic found it more important to get Henry. GOAT knows nothing about who is the Home Office nor do they care, they believe in their cause and follow orders. They won’t know why they had to take Henry besides that he is somehow very important. And we know they went to Neverland, though we don’t know why.
So,yes, it is possible that the Home Office has a different agenda than the Lost Boys and “HIM” and only got Henry to trade. Would be wicked, and not sure if Wendy would agree with such a policy, but she might not be around anymore, and who ever now leads the Office cares less. Maybe besides getting the boys back they were promised an ultimate solution for getting rid of magic forever in our world (which means, that Wendy’s London would have to be our historical London IMO).
If even Gold has some respect for whoever HIM his, then I think that force knows how to manipulate and pull strings and make people do a lot of things while this force has its own agenda, quite like Gold/Rumple, maybe even better at it. So the Home Office could be used, the Lost Boys, all having their own agenda being manipulated by “HIM”. And the big riddle of “HIM” will take some more time to be solved. Bit early for a big bad like the First Evil (sorry, Buffy reference again), but could stay around longer than a season. But, well, as we all know, there is always a bigger fish … (sorry for the Star Wars reference).
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May 15, 2013 at 12:17 am #194417shack1212ParticipantI’m sold on Wendy running the Home Office. Say she came back to Earth 20 years setting up the Home Office and/or looking for Bae after he got out. Great opportunity for them to age her 20 years from teenager to an adult actress, the latter more desirable for a TV show. She’s technically on the “big bad”/Peter’s side, but a more redeemable character who eventually will change sides
May 15, 2013 at 12:44 am #194421timespacerParticipantSome of us have been discussing this same topic over in the thread “Peter Pan and the Home Office” at:
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