Peter Pan – new clue?

[fairy dust]

Here’s the find….

[attachment=1:3sskvmq6]Emma Neal MTA.jpg[/attachment:3sskvmq6]
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[schmacky]

Doesn’t that actually say ATM?

[PriceofMagic]

I hope Neal is not Peter Pan. We know he’s Henry’s father so there is already story to tell there. He may possibly be Bae so there is even more potential for story there. Having him be Peter Pan as well is almost too much.

I’m not sure whether they will even do Peter Pan anyway. There is nothing for Hook to want revenge against Peter for, it was Rumple that cut off his hand. What if Peter doesn’t exist yet? In Peter Pan stories Hook is portrayed as an older gentleman yet here we have a young Hook.

Perhaps Hook hasn’t met Peter yet.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[fairy dust]

@Schmacky wrote:

Doesn’t that actually say ATM?

Yes, it is an ATM sign that when read backward reads MTA. MTA is the name of the subway system in New York City.

[gypsy]

Shmacky – 😆

Fairy dust –

The MTA connection is neat 🙂

Peter Pan Bus Company is part of the MTA (Metro Transit Authority) and has been in sevice in NY City since the 1930’s. I found that clue a while ago and it is posted along with TheGoldenKeys theory on Bae/Neal/Peter Pan.

I thought you’d be interested in knowing that, since Peter Pan was mentioned in your clue 🙂

[sarah_tn]

Hmmmm. You might have something here. I’m still on the Captain Swan team, though.

[fairy dust]

@Sarah_TN wrote:

Hmmmm. You might have something here. I’m still on the Captain Swan team, though.

I must admit that Emma and Hook have major sparks that fly between them but in the end I believe that Emma’s true love is Neal…and Henry is a product of that true love. I think that Neal is Baelfire and I think a huge clue to this is found on the New York Subway system’s public art displays. I had noticed the ATM sign but it was truly Christoph’s enchanting story about his boys riding the subway that led me to the MTA and its underground art. The underground, MTA public arts are extensive and the connections between these art works and Storybrook are too many to even list. I’ve done a post that looks at just two of the works. We’ve had this “underground” hint going for a long time but it took me this long to realize that is what was going on. Think of how many “underground” scenes we have had…especially in these last episodes. Then, when you put together that Leroy’s character is based off the same real life Neal Cassady as Emma’s Neal…the connections become even greater. We have also had so many clues that what is on the wall, in the background of the scene, is of major importance…it has been right there staring us in the face all along.

[eireland]

I do not know or really have a theory yet about who Neal is, besides that it is possible he is Bae…
But I was just doing some googling about the name Neal Cassady, who, as I’m sure everyone already knows (because I’m slow at researching theories and just got to this now) that Neal Cassady was a real person:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Cassady

As I was ready this wiki page, I clicked on the two “movement” that he was involved with to try and see what the significance of them was, and one of them brought me to this page – which CLEARLY (and likely for good reasons) made me think of Alice in Wonderland. (Or just Wonderland in general).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic

But I don’t know Wonderland stories enough to know whether it could be related (or if there is someone else in Wonderland who could be Henry’s dad)….

I don’t really like the Peter Pan theory (cuz, he should still be in Neverland)… but I do like that he could be related to that story in some way!

[Phee]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I hope Neal is not Peter Pan. We know he’s Henry’s father so there is already story to tell there. He may possibly be Bae so there is even more potential for story there. Having him be Peter Pan as well is almost too much.

I’m not sure whether they will even do Peter Pan anyway. There is nothing for Hook to want revenge against Peter for, it was Rumple that cut off his hand.

Which is actually something that I think may be evidence for Bae having been Peter. Given that they’ve now removed the chief reason that Hook hated Peter, the chopping off of his hand, they need to recreate that animosity between them on the show somehow, and having Peter be the son of the person who chopped off Hook’s hand would work quite nicely IMO.

Hook would have already had an emotional connection to Bae before even going to Neverland, given that I’m sure Milah would have often mentioned the kid with sadness, so Hook may have felt guilt for separating them, and then the fact that that separation is what led to Milah’s death. If Bae hadn’t have existed, then Rumple wouldn’t have become the Dark One, wouldn’t have flown off the handle the way he did, and Milah would still be alive. On some level, I wouldn’t blame Hook for resenting Bae’s existence.

So imagine Hook coming face to face with Bae again in Neverland, for the first time since that night in the pub. That situation would be ripe for delicious angst, and would set up the possibility for Bae to discover the truth of what happened to his mother. Bae would have an immediate dislike of Hook if he remembers him as the man who was with his mother that night in the pub. Then perhaps in the middle of him going off at Hook for stealing his mother, (edited to add another thought I just had, that perhaps Hook would try to reach out to Bae at first, knowing that Milah wouldn’t want him being horrible to him, and Bae will reject any attempt of friendship from Hook), which had sent his father spiraling into the hot mess that resulted in his becoming the Dark One, Hook will get riled up and blurt out that Rumple killed her, which Bae wouldn’t want to believe, but part of him would believe it, given the things he’d seen his father do. That would mean that if he is Neal, that’s a whole other level of animosity for them to play out once he’s woven into the present day storyline and has contact with both Rumple and Hook again.

Peter hates Hook for taking away his mother which ultimately led to his father becoming evil.
Hook hates Peter for having been the thing that made it so hard for Rumple to let Milah go, which led to her death.
So Onceiverse Hook and Peter still hate each other, and it all still connects to the Crocodile, so they can still have their traditional rivalry, without straying completely from the reason behind it, even though they’ve totally twisted the story.

PriceofMagic, I admit that when I originally had the idea of Bae being Peter, I too thought that it might be overkill for the character, and almost wrote off the idea as a result. But the more I’ve thought about it, the more I think there’s great storyline and character development potential if it proves true.

What if Peter doesn’t exist yet? In Peter Pan stories Hook is portrayed as an older gentleman yet here we have a young Hook.

Perhaps Hook hasn’t met Peter yet.

They have to have met in Neverland past, otherwise we wouldn’t have the story of Peter Pan and Hook in our world. If Hook went to Neverland and met Peter roughly 250 years before the curse, that allows ample time for their history to have played out, and their story to have made its sway to our world by the early 1900s, when Peter Pan’s story was first told by JM Barrie.

[antbee]

@Phee wrote:

Hook would have already had an emotional connection to Bae before even going to Neverland, given that I’m sure Milah would have often mentioned the kid with sadness, so Hook may have felt guilt for separating them, and then the fact that that separation is what led to Milah’s death. If Bae hadn’t have existed, then Rumple wouldn’t have become the Dark One, wouldn’t have flown off the handle the way he did, and Milah would still be alive. On some level, I wouldn’t blame Hook for resenting Bae’s existence.

Yes, it could create a parallel between Rumple and Hook. Rumple murders Milah mostly due to his self loathing about the fact that he abandoned Bae not because she did. Then, when Hook comes in contact with Bae again, he might feel guilty about the fact that Milah picked Hook over her own child and that guilt comes out in blaming Bae for Milah’s death. Since I view Hook as a bully that Rumple later modeled some of his Dark One behavior on, I could definitely see him placing the blame on the guilt he feels on someone else like Bae.

So imagine Hook coming face to face with Bae again in Neverland, for the first time since that night in the pub. That situation would be ripe for delicious angst, and would set up the possibility for Bae to discover the truth of what happened to his mother. Bae would have an immediate dislike of Hook if he remembers him as the man who was with his mother that night in the pub. Then perhaps in the middle of him going off at Hook for stealing his mother, (edited to add another thought I just had, that perhaps Hook would try to reach out to Bae at first, knowing that Milah wouldn’t want him being horrible to him, and Bae will reject any attempt of friendship from Hook), which had sent his father spiraling into the hot mess that resulted in his becoming the Dark One, Hook will get riled up and blurt out that Rumple killed her, which Bae wouldn’t want to believe, but part of him would believe it, given the things he’d seen his father do. That would mean that if he is Neal, that’s a whole other level of animosity for them to play out once he’s woven into the present day storyline and has contact with both Rumple and Hook again.

Yes, I don’t think that Nealfire will want anything to do with either Rumple or Hook, but Hook perhaps not knowing all the circumstances behind what happened between Bae and Rumple, thinks that Bae wants to reconcile with his father and blurts out that Rumple killed Bae’s mother out of spite. Baelfire would already feel resentment towards Hook either because he thinks that Hook was responsible for his mother’s death or if he was able to put together bits and pieces of what really happened, his mother’s abandonment, but if Hook told Bae about Rumple killing Milah just out of spite, which he likely could, Baelfire’s resentment could turn into full blown hate. Throw in Hook threatening the Charmings especially Emma and Henry, and any other good townspeople that Baelfire might befriend, and I imagine things could get pretty nasty real fast.

They have to have met in Neverland past, otherwise we wouldn’t have the story of Peter Pan and Hook in our world. If Hook went to Neverland and met Peter roughly 250 years before the curse, that allows ample time for their history to have played out, and their story to have made its sway to our world by the early 1900s, when Peter Pan’s story was first told by JM Barrie.

I just realized that Barrie looks like Barrett. It could be a clue that Barrett is connected to Bae somehow. Or if Barrett is connected to the Netherworld somehow like I believe, then he could be how these stories ended up in other places.

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