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Interesting observations! We’ve speculated the mermaids could be soul-sucking (or flesh eating)…so cannibal’s cove…that could tie right in there.
I also think it is possible that belief is the power Pan used to make Tamara’s taser work to defeat magic creatures, sort of an extension of the way fairies die in Peter Pan the play (not sure if it happens in the movie). It’s the lack of belief that kills them, so maybe Pan taps into that with people like Greg and Tamara who don’t believe, or rather, believe that science and mumbo jumbo of heavy metals will work, so it does. Even against the anger that powers the Queen and Rumple, that belief shuts them down –but I think Emma’s magic based on love and hope will prove stronger.
I rambled. Anyway–I expect to see something on the power of belief and the tie to killing magical creatures.
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I also think it is possible that belief is the power Pan used to make Tamara’s taser work to defeat magic creatures, sort of an extension of the way fairies die in Peter Pan the play (not sure if it happens in the movie). It’s the lack of belief that kills them, so maybe Pan taps into that with people like Greg and Tamara who don’t believe, or rather, believe that science and mumbo jumbo of heavy metals will work, so it does.
Love this idea!
Brace yourselves. Eddy and Adam have given us quite a glimpse into the villain that is Peter Pan:
Even meaner than the creatures from the ocean? Peter Pan! Hook sums it up perfectly when he says, “He’s a bloody demon.” And yes, viewers will meet Pan rather soon into the return. All we’ll say is the actor behind the villainous new character nailed it.
Source: TV Line
And it’s not just the place itself that is the cause of this but rather its ruler, Peter Pan. In Once Upon A Time‘s world Pan is demonized– he is literally called a demon by a character with whom he shares a past. He is an old, angry soul trapped in a forever youthful body, and he manages to strike fear into even some of the biggest villains we have met those far. How he does this is by being a master manipulator of those around him.
“Our characters are all looking for a happy ending; they’re all looking for love. It’s just what choices do you use to get them? Some people are okay playing hardball; some people want to do it the right way. Peter Pan is an interesting story, and I think as it slowly unfolds…he’s a sick, twisted kid…He gets in your head and says ‘Oh what is the thing that you’re most insecure about? I’m going to exploit that!'” Kitsis said.
“Somebody who refuses to grow up has to have a lot of problems because it sounds great when you’re sixteen but when you start to turn twenty-five or older you go ‘Oh God, I would hate to be 16 again!’ or ‘I’m missing out on all of the things of life.’ And he just hit the pause button. This guy is probably there alone, and we started to think about Heart of Darkness, and Peter Pan started to become Kurtz to us, and we started to talk about having to go back up the river to get him.”
Once Upon A Time will explore how Peter Pan became this way, because as executive producer Adam Horowitz pointed out, the show has always explicitly said that “evil isn’t born; it’s made.” Season three will dive into his backstory to get a sense of who he was before, how he came to be who he is now, and what he really wants with Henry.
“What we wanted was someone who had a really character-based motivation for why belief was so important to him, and that’s the story we’re going to unfurl,” Kitsis said. Source: The Examiner
Were you guys nervous about making Peter Pan evil?
Horowitz: Honestly, we’re nervous about everything, but that’s sort of our approach to storytelling. We like to find ideas that excite us and, if they make us a little nervous, then we head toward that rather than away from it. But as for Peter Pan being evil, our Peter Pan is not, as you’ll see, a black-and-white creation of good and evil, just like we like to think all of our characters aren’t black and white. What we’re excited about is peeling back the layers on our version of Peter Pan so you can understand why he’s doing the things that he’s doing, starting with taking Henry from our heroes.Kitsis: We always try to put our own twist on it so, for us, it wouldn’t be fun to just do another version of Peter Pan – just like last year, our Captain Hook is a lot different than other Captain Hooks. Source: Rolling Stone
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
he is literally called a demon by a character with whom he shares a past. He is an old, angry soul trapped in a forever youthful body, and he manages to strike fear into even some of the biggest villains we have met those far. How he does this is by being a master manipulator of those around him.
If I didn’t know this was PP, part of it reads very Rumple. Especially that last sentence.
Brotherly trait?He gets in your head and says ‘Oh what is the thing that you’re most insecure about? I’m going to exploit that!’” Kitsis said.
What are our characters insecurities?
Regina = that she’s evil? That she never really had her mothers love? That her revenge against Snow is unfounded?
Emma = that she gave up Henry? Her emotional walls?
Hook = His 300 yr revenge? His heartbreak over Milah?
Charming = That he’s not really a Prince but just a Shepherd boy?
Smow = her dark heart?
Rumple = ALL THE INSECURITIES"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"As for Peter Pan, Kitsis said, “He is a sick and twisted kid. When Rumpelstiltskin says he’s someone he’s frightened of, you know he’s scary.” The decision to make him dark was an easy one, according to the creators. “It came from a character place. Someone who refuses to grow up has to have problems. We started thinking of ‘Heart of Darkness,’ and he became our Kurtz.”
Still, like all villains on the show, Pan isn’t all bad. “They’re all looking for love, and I think you’ll see that as his story slowly unfolds,” said Kitsis.
“Evil isn’t born; it’s made,” added Horowitz.” source: HitFix
In other words, Pan is “complicated” but looking for love, too. I predict that PP is going to play with my emotions.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
slurpeez108 wrote: he is literally called a demon by a character with whom he shares a past. He is an old, angry soul trapped in a forever youthful body, and he manages to strike fear into even some of the biggest villains we have met those far. How he does this is by being a master manipulator of those around him.
If I didn’t know this was PP, part of it reads very Rumple. Especially that last sentence.
Brotherly trait?Both are deceitful manipulators. Maybe it’s a cursed trait? I think both Rumple and PP are cursed in a similar way. Just as Rumple’s dagger holds him hostage, so does Peter Pan’s shadow hold him hostage. Hence, why both are called demons. The fact that Peter Pan is said to know how to exploit other’s people’s insecurities leads me to think that Peter Pan is really a little boy on the inside with a lot of insecurities, just like Rumple has tons of insecurities, despite being the Dark One. I think that as the S3 progresses, we’ll discover some tragic tale of woe about Peter Pan. My guess is he made a deal he didn’t quite understand, like he wanted to remain forever young but instead realized it’s a trap to never grow old.
slurpeez108 wrote: He gets in your head and says ‘Oh what is the thing that you’re most insecure about? I’m going to exploit that!’” Kitsis said.
What are our characters insecurities?
Regina = that she’s evil? That she never really had her mothers love? That her revenge against Snow is unfounded?
Emma = that she gave up Henry? Her emotional walls?
Hook = His 300 yr revenge? His heartbreak over Milah?
Charming = That he’s not really a Prince but just a Shepherd boy?
Smow = her dark heart?
Rumple = ALL THE INSECURITIESYes, I’d also add to that list:
-Both Charming and Snow both have the insecurity that they failed as parents by letting Emma grow up alone (even though they had no choice). It’s the same insecurity that Emma faces with regards to Henry.
-Emma has always doubted her role as a savior. Now she’s going to have to step up again to be a leader to save Henry. She also suffers with abandonment issues of her parents having given her away and then having done the same thing to Henry.
– Also, I think with Regina, she struggles with the belief that she’s unlovable, just like Rumple does. Regina is really craving a family, as is Rumple. Both of them are struggling with additions to magic, and both Regina and Rumple have chosen pursuing magic over their sons before. Now they’re trying to make amends.
– I think part of Hook’s own insecurity comes from that fact that he he feels abandoned by his dad. He might also feel like he’s wasted 250 years of his life on a futile plot of revenge. Perhaps he feel emasculated for being unable to save Milha and for not having two hands. Maybe that’s why he overcompensates so much talking about his “extra appendage.”
-Also, I’ll add Neal to this list, since he has spent time in NL before, and I believe he’ll end up there again in the present day. Neal faces serious abandonment issues too, since he lives with the constant nightmare of his father choosing magic over him and his mother having walked out on him as a child. Also, Neal fears rejections. He feels rejected by both of his parents. Also, Neal feared being rejected by Emma for what he did to her. He fears that if he had gone to him after she broke the curse that she would have rejected him completely. So he ended up engaged to Tamara.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m betting Pan will be some type of master of illusions. Making things appear that aren’t there. it’d be horryfiying if the first half of the season ends with Henry actually being Pan in disguise coming to SB to spread havoc..
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICRemember the sweet and carefree Peter Pan that we all remember loving as a child? Well this boy is absolutely nothing like that. He’s manipulative, deceitful, dangerous and terrifying. Sure he’s got a sweet smile, but this villain will use his dark charm to mess with your head and steal everything you hold near and dear to your heart. Let’s just put it this way: Rumplestilskin—aka the Dark One—spends the majority of the first two episodes crying. Source: E Online
Pan’s a Spooky Fellow – There’s a touch of “Lord of the Flies” where this version of Peter Pan is concerned. Remember when Disney did a cute take on Pan’s shadow, and how he tried to stick it back to his body with soap? We may have laughed as children, but shadows being separated from their bodies result in far more grisly endings for those concerned in this version. We like Dark Pan! Source: ScreenSpy
After all, the primary objective remains finding Henry and saving him from this demon version of Peter Pan.
“Peter Pan is someone that even Rumpelstiltskin fears,” says Goodwin. “The rules of Neverland are completely different and so we’re going to have to learn how to survive in a more sinister realm. Getting to Peter Pan is clearly a goal. We reach our intended destination fairly early on in the season.”
“It’s interesting,” she continues.“Our villains all have different strengths and weaknesses. Some villains are more violent, some are more manipulative. Pan has some powers that are more disturbing than some of the powers of the other villains.” Source: Zap2It
Without going into spoiler territory, we know we’re going to see Peter Pan and Neverland as well as Ariel, and obviously there’s the Once Upon a Time in Wonderland spinoff happening. Any other characters or fairy tales that might be weaved into this story?
Kitsis: We’re going to be seeing Tinker Bell and we’re going to be doing a version of the Pied Piper.
Source: Rolling StoneSounds like Peter Pan could also be the Pied Piper!
In the chat section TheWatcher suggested we call fans of Peter Pan be called the Lost One or the Shadows. Personally, I like Lost Ones as a title for PP fans.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
From TV Guide:
Can you tease Peter Pan’s motivations for wanting Henry?
Kitsis: That is the 11 episodes.
Horowitz: That’s the journey we’re on. What we didn’t want to do is do a villain who just wants world domination and wants to do something terrible. What we wanted was someone who had a really character-based motivation for why belief was important to him and why the truest believer is important to him. That’s the story that we’re going to unfurl in these first 11.Is Pan trying to prove that even he can break the trust believer?
Horowitz: Maybe.
Kitsis: He definitely wants that heart.
Horowitz: He wants that heart and there’s something in these games that he seems to be playing that’s all tying into what his ultimate goal is for both Henry and for everyone else.From TV Line:
Discussing their version of Pan, who is here envisioned as a ruthless rascal, Once cocreator Eddy Kitsis told TVLine, “What we’re excited about is you’ve got a 15-year-old [character] who may actually be 200 years old, so he has that wisdom, but he’s also got the spunk of that kid who’s still going to taunt you in the locker room.
“[Pan] is a twisted little s—t,” Kitsis adds.
Meanwhile, the show’s creators consider themselves “very lucky” in casting Robbie Kay (of the international miniseries Pinocchio) in this pivotal role. “When you see him, especially in the second episode, you’re going to be like, ‘Uh, uh, ohhhhh,’” Kitsis promises. Adds cocreator Adam Horowitz: “Robbie has been able to hold his own, with everyone from Jennifer Morrison to Ginny Goodwin to Robert Carlyle – and that’s not easy.”
Could Pan (Robbie Kay) ultimately be a good guy?
Horowitz: Anyone could be a good guy.
Kitsis: Depends on how you look at it.
Horowitz: If you ask Pan, he would say he’s definitely a good guy.
Source: TV Guide Lightning Round 9"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Thomas: I have a OUAT question. Can you tell us why Peter Pan wants the heart of a true believer? What can belief do?
Five points to you, as executive producer Adam Horowitz is glad people are asking that very question. “What we didn’t want to do was do a villain who just wants world domination and wants to do something terrible,” he explains. “What we wanted was someone who had a really character-based motivation for why belief was important to him and why the truest believer was important to him. That’s the story we’re going to unfurl in these first 11 [episodes].”source: E online
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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