Peter Pied Piper Pan

[RumplesGirl]

Many of us over the summer predicted that PP would also be the Pied Piper and tonight we were proven right!

But how does the shadow fit into this? Why did Peter stop playing his pipe and taking boys? Can PP no longer ever leave NL? How did that happen? Did he make his pan pipe magical?

[thebassgal]

Pan figured out a better way to get the boys – i.e. the Shadow. Since the pipe relies on the boys truly being lost and abandoned. Once he found out he needed the heart of the truest believer instead of companions who were as lonely as he was, he needed a more foolproof way to get boys.

[RumplesGirl]

Pan figured out a better way to get the boys – i.e. the Shadow. Since the pipe relies on the boys truly being lost and abandoned. Once he found out he needed the heart of the truest believer instead of companions who were as lonely as he was, he needed a more foolproof way to get boys.

So is the Shadow part of PP? How did PP learn to cut off his shadow? Was he taught?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thebassgal]

Someone taught him. Rumple knew how to do it as well and I doubt he learned that from Pan. Rumple’s shadow definitely had a personality and we know that Pan’s does as well, just not what kind. Perhaps his shadow taught him how to do it? He WAS looking for friends after all… maybe his shadow took on its own personality because Pan was going nuts?

[RumplesGirl]

Someone taught him. Rumple knew how to do it as well and I doubt he learned that from Pan. Rumple’s shadow definitely had a personality and we know that Pan’s does as well, just not what kind. Perhaps his shadow taught him how to do it? He WAS looking for friends after all… maybe his shadow took on its own personality because Pan was going nuts?

I really want more PP shadow. I think it’s going to be almost as dark if not darker than Pan himself. It would be very interesting if his shadow taught him all this.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[swanning-off]

The really interesting things with this scene were:

• yeah: downright awesome that PP = Pied Piper as well as Peter Pan
• he seems to only be gathering new friends here, not potential Heart of the Truest Believer. Is this because Magic had not yet begun to disappear from the world? Or just before Sneaky Fairy came to tell him it was disappearing….. ahem. I’m still on the Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky train, and the whole shenanigans with Tink only reinvigorated that line of thought.
• Love that Rumple inadvertently led to Pan’s gang being dubbed the Lost Boys!

[RumplesGirl]

I’m still on the Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky train, and the whole shenanigans with Tink only reinvigorated that line of thought.

I suspect Blue of giving PP that pan pipe

Love that Rumple inadvertently led to Pan’s gang being dubbed the Lost Boys!

Very writers of ONCE like

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

Many of us over the summer predicted that PP would also be the Pied Piper and tonight we were proven right!

I love it when our crack-theories become canon!

But how does the shadow fit into this? Why did Peter stop playing his pipe and taking boys? Can PP no longer ever leave NL? How did that happen? Did he make his pan pipe magical?

I starting to doubt that the Shadow actually belongs to PP. I think it was Phee who pointed out that PP clearly still has his shadow attached to him (if you look closely). So either that is poor editing or deliberate. Also, I think PP is stranded in NL by the Shadow. And while he still plays his enchanted pipe, he only does so with the Lost Boys now, since he himself can’t travel anyway. He’s lost the ability to fly as he has lost belief and magic. That is why he needs Henry’s belief to save magic.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

I starting to doubt that the Shadow actually belongs to PP. I think it was Phee who pointed out that PP clearly still has his shadow attached to him (if you look closely). So either that is poor editing or deliberate. Also, I think PP is stranded in NL by the Shadow. And while he still plays his enchanted pipe, he only does so with the Lost Boys now, since he himself can’t travel anyway. He’s lost the ability to fly as he has lost belief and magic. That is why he needs Henry’s belief to save magic.

I am really doubting that that the shadow belongs to PP now. I think the shadow may be why PP is the way he is. PP uses a magic pipe to lure children but maybe the shadow lured PP to NL.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

I love that they made Pan the Pied Piper as well. It fits so perfectly!!

Would love to know where his pan pipe came from. The story of the god Pan’s flute does involve a nymph, which I guess could maybe be replace by a (Blue) Fairy if they wanted to twist it up somehow…

One of the famous myths of Pan involves the origin of his pan flute, fashioned from lengths of hollow reed. Syrinx was a lovely water-nymph of Arcadia, daughter of Landon, the river-god. As she was returning from the hunt one day, Pan met her. To escape from his importunities, the fair nymph ran away and didn’t stop to hear his compliments. He pursued from Mount Lycaeum until she came to her sisters who immediately changed her into a reed. When the air blew through the reeds, it produced a plaintive melody. The god, still infatuated, took some of the reeds, because he could not identify which reed she became, and cut seven pieces (or according to some versions, nine), joined them side by side in gradually decreasing lengths, and formed the musical instrument bearing the name of his beloved Syrinx. Henceforth Pan was seldom seen without it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(mythology)
(Also, he once had a musical showdown with Apollo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(mythology)#Pan_and_music )

Perhaps his shadow taught him how to do it? He WAS looking for friends after all… maybe his shadow took on its own personality because Pan was going nuts?

Like, his shadow was sort of an imaginary friend because he was so lonely, and because NL is fueled by imagination, the shadow did actually gradually take on an actual persona of its own? And eventually it became strong enough that it wanted to be independent, so it told Pan to cut it free?

I starting to doubt that the Shadow actually belongs to PP. I think it was Phee who pointed out that PP clearly still has his shadow attached to him (if you look closely). So either that is poor editing or deliberate.

Yeah in 301 there was a scene where it clearly showed his shadow, alongside Henry’s. But then we wondered if it’s possible that his shadow can reattach and detach at will. So I’m still in two minds about whether or not the Shadow is Pan’s, or something/one completely different.

Also, I think PP is stranded in NL by the Shadow. And while he still plays his enchanted pipe, he only does so with the Lost Boys now, since he himself can’t travel anyway. He’s lost the ability to fly as he has lost belief and magic. That is why he needs Henry’s belief to save magic.

So does Pan want to be able to leave NL again, then? If so for what purpose? Just so he can go on another recruitment mission?

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