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May 20, 2015 at 12:15 pm #305088RumplesGirlKeymaster
We’ve all had a little over a week to digest the S4 finale and S4 as a whole; it’s also going to be another month or so until tiny tidbits start leaking and then even a little bit more until filming of 5 begins. So, while we wait: it’s time to see where we all stand headcanon wise for S5.
So grab all your cookies and place your bets!
1) Where did Emma go?
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
4) Who was the original Dark One?
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
8) Who is Lily’s father?
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 20, 2015 at 12:23 pm #305090RumplesGirlKeymaster1) Where did Emma go?
Camelot
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
I think he’s going to be a lonely god-like figure. He seems to be older than time and capable of great power. But I think it’s made him lonely and given to fits of inhumanity. He won’t know what to do when Dark! Swan shows up in his realm having isolated himself for so long.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
Arthur and Guienvere yes. Lancelot no. He’ll be mentioned in passing.
4) Who was the original Dark One?
Morgan La Fey
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
Hook
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
Yes. Maybe. No.
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
Like @MatthewPaul I think we might get Aladdin as a one-off and that would mean Agrabah, which we’ve seen in WL.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
Merlin
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
Yes. Sometime around episode 506…in the back half of the arc, at least
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
No
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
Yes
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
The Jolly Roger was returned for a reason. They’ll find a plot device in Gold’s shop that can help the JR get to Camelot. I think it might just be Hook, Regina and Robin going. Charming and Snow stay at home in SB looking after Henry and Roland.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 20, 2015 at 12:37 pm #305091SweetsParticipantFun!
1) Where did Emma go?To the Dark One vault. I think the fact that Emma willingly took on the Dark One curse will alter the rules somewhat. So I don’t think she goes scaly.
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
Hmm. I can’t really wrap my head around that because he is seemingly the oldest character ever introduced on the show. Unless Blue is VERY old.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
I think we will. My thought is that they will weave the Camelot story with the Robin Hood story. Even if its a centric episode, I think they will appear.
4) Who was the original Dark One?
I’m not sure the Dark One started out as a person. It seems to be a force. Maybe its an being of magical properties like a Genie.
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
I think they will give the dagger to Regina. Right now Zelena, Maleficent, and Lily are in Storybrooke. I think any non magical user keeping the dagger would be extremely…unwise.
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
I definitely think we will see Zelena again if only to fix some of the cluster the writers created with the pregnancy storyline. She also might know important information.
August. I think we will see him again especially because the Apprentice sought him out to give him information about the Author. He might have information about the Sorcerer.
Ursula. No. (grumble)
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
I would love to see Avalon. That would be gorgeous.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
I like the Authur Pendragon theory.
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
I do think he will wake up. I think this is the true beginning of Rumple’s redemption ark. He has failed and succeeded at the same time. He didn’t get to maintain his happy ending, but he did free himself from the Dark One curse. During 4A Rumple just wanted to free himself from the influence of the Dagger, while maintain power. That changed in 4B to removing the Dark One curse altogether. What is life like for Rumple without magic and the curse?
I think they put Rumple on ice for quite a while similar to 3B.
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
Not this season. I think Henry actually using his powers as the Author is last season territory.
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
Yes.
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
I think the gang will find Emma using the Jolly Roger.May 20, 2015 at 12:45 pm #305093SweetsParticipant4) Who was the original Dark One? Morgan La Fey
I like this a lot. The Fey are some scary folks.
May 20, 2015 at 12:52 pm #305095KebParticipant1) Where did Emma go?
Either the vault of the dark one or to the sorcerer’s mansion (for safety).
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
I believe it will somewhat parallel Rumple’s–a poor boy who sought power to overcome his disadvantages.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
I hope so! I think we will definitely have a chance to see Lance again. I wonder if Nealflake might be hailed as a new Arthur.
4) Who was the original Dark One?
Either Merlin himself, or else Morgana. (yes, I know that is wonky with the timeline. Don’t care–A&E never do)
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
Hook. Know how they like to tease something and then do it? “Hook” got the dagger from Belle; now Hook will have the dagger as it’s been passed on to his love instead of hers.
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
Zelena, definitely. If nothing else, we have to eventually see her baby’s birth. August, probably, but I think for only one episode. Ursula…no, not unless they also bring back Ariel for an ep (I’d like that though).
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
I hope so! I’m hoping for another trip to Oz and/or Wonderland. With their exploring authorship and hunting down the sorcerer, I’m hoping we see some new lands as well.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
Merlin…or else Arthur’s nephew.
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
Yes, and probably in the first episode. My money is on the emptiness in his heart requiring some sort of filling, and possibly his being some kind of monster/zombie thing until that happens.
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
Yes, one with only the power to record.
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
Yes. But we will see him in a flashback with the sorcerer around 520.
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
I think they’ll find her within the first two episodes, but she will be really struggling with all that power and all the darkness and light. Then the struggle will abate until it’s relevant to the plot, and she’ll be kinda normal for most of the season until they find a way to break her of the darkness.
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May 20, 2015 at 1:03 pm #305097TheWatcherParticipant1) Where did Emma go?
I actually don’t think shes in Camelot. Seeing as they will have to find the Sorcerer to help them get rid of the darkness, I think it’d be pretty unwise to just have Emma poof right into his domain. Darkness probably took her elsewhere, far far away.
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
Sobby backstory for sure. I am guessing at one point he was a young weakling sorcerer who no one believed in and he started learning magic somehow to get back at those who did him wrong but saw the evil he could become and decided to counteract that by becoming the greatest good there can be. And that eventually lead him to creating and or defeating the darkness.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
We sure will!!!!
4) Who was the original Dark One?
It probably wasn’t some random human so im going to assume its someone who is close to Merlin. I’m gonna say Morgana who I also believe is the black fairy and that Blue Fairy banished her.
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
Hook.
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
Yes. Yes. No. Unfortunately :/
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
I think we will see Wonderland this season for some odd reason.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
S2 Dragon guy.
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
Yeah. I am calling that he will awaken 3 episodes in.
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
……Maybe?
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
I hopez not. But it seems like it. I will say he isn’t just because no one has specifically said he is dead.
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
Take the Arendelle portal in the mansion to the enchanted forest, hop back to Rumps castle for some magical portals that may be found there and get themselves a first trip to Camelot or wherever Emma is. Or they could try summoning her.
I think it might just be Hook, Regina and Robin going. Charming and Snow stay at home in SB looking after Henry and Roland
And of course some kind of new evil will arise.
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICMay 20, 2015 at 1:15 pm #305098PriceofMagicParticipant1) Where did Emma go?
I think she may have gone into the dagger and is now waiting for someone to activate her like with the wraith and the medallion. I think the first episode back won’t feature Emma at all until the very last scene when someone picks up the dagger to try and summon her (perhaps Henry) and she then materialises. Because Emma didn’t become the dark one in the normal way, I think the dark one curse has sort of reset.
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
Crack theory: Merlin is Blue Fairy’s son. Merlin is half human and half fairy. He has magic and is immortal but he ages slowly. The darkness comes from the human side of him hence why Blue Fairy is so adamant that the fairies don’t fall in love because she made that mistake and it created the darkness.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
It would be a missed opportunity if we didn’t. Lancelot probably not unless it’s flashback but Arthur and Guinevere most likely.
4) Who was the original Dark One?
I thought it was said that the darkness originated in Merlin and he expelled it from himself before attaching it to a human host? Random peasant #46 could be the original dark one as we know it all because Merlin made a douche move.
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
I’d like to think Henry would be given control (dear god if it’s Hook, the number of fanfics that will come from that) of the dagger but it will be under the protection of Regina as a by-product. (Though Belle was carrying the “dagger” around in her handbag ever since she got it so Henry might just keep it in his backpack.
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
Zelena- yes, they’ve still got to resolve the pregnancy situation.
August- Probably but maybe not because of Hook’s jealousy towards him.
Ursula- No.7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
Not in the first half. Maybe Agrabah and Wonderland in the second.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
Someone who can turn into a dragon or is a dragon.
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
Yes, after it has been established how serious the situation is. Will he wake up with amnesia or not is the real question?
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
No.
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
Yes.
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
After she’s done something terrible. And as has been pointed out, the JR being back is too much of a convenience.
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Keeper of FelixMay 20, 2015 at 1:53 pm #305101WickedRegalParticipant1) Where did Emma go?
I’ve got ten cookies on either Avalon or Camelot!
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
If they stick to legend that Uther was “Kill all magical beings” type of king….I can see Merlin coming from an orphan background, whose parents were killed while under Uther’s reign. And for some reason…I’m not seeing the long beard, pointed hat figure we know as Merlin, I’m willing to bet five cookies that this Merlin will be a thirty looking something year old who is still all powerful as we presume. He was best friends with Arthur, who later in a need for magic went to Morgana Le Fay, whose the original creator of the Dark One, cursed him with the curse. Then Merlin had to take all that darkness out of Arthur and seal it into the Sword in the Stone for a while till he found a permanent placement, which is when the darkness eventually went into a dagger.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
If we didn’t I’d be highly upset….It wouldn’t be a Merlin Tale if that wasn’t told! But like RG said….Lancelot will just be mentioned and that is all.
4) Who was the original Dark One?
I’m going to say Arthur Pendragon….Morgana created the Dark One curse, and cursed Arthur with it, that is until Merlin sealed away all of that darkness.
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
I’m going with Morgana….I think they’re going to hype Emma up as the Season 5A Villain more so, but it’s going to come out she’s just being controlled by Morgana, the real 5A Villainess. The Rumple/Zelena situation all over again.
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
Zelena…I’d say definitely. August and Ursula….not really.
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
5A I think will mainly be Camelot, Avalon, and Storybrooke….5B we may see Agrabah if Jafar is the next villain. Maybe even Wonderland to see what happened to Anastasia.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
I wanna say Merlin, but then again….I’m not too sure. Based on the star tattoo on Lily, and the Sorcerer’s hat having stars….I guess I will just go with Merlin. #Merlicent….
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
I suppose he’ll wake up…perhaps toward the middle of 5A. Maybe Belle’s TLK will do it.
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
Sadly I’m afraid that story is over and done with….the entire Author thing will never be mentioned again until the series finale perhaps.
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
Definetly. He’s toast.
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
A magic door will be opened that will lead right into Camelot, but only a few can go in. I can see Henry actually sneaking off to join this trip that more than likely David, Regina, Robin, & Hook will lead….Snow White, Belle, & Will are on baby sitting duty with Roland and Baby Snowflake, and to keep watch on Zelena.
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May 20, 2015 at 1:54 pm #305102RumplesGirlKeymasterI would love to see Avalon. That would be gorgeous.
Ooooh. I forgot about Avalon. Yes please
Merlin is Blue Fairy’s son.
Aaaaaabsoltuely
I thought it was said that the darkness originated in Merlin and he expelled it from himself before attaching it to a human host? Random peasant #46 could be the original dark one as we know it all because Merlin made a douche move.
Darkness was spread out over the land and Merlin tethered it to a human. @MatthewPaul thinks it might have been Merlin’s own darkness, though.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 20, 2015 at 2:49 pm #305103MatthewPaulModerator1) Where did Emma go?
I think she might still be in Storybrooke somewhere.
2) What is Merlin’s backstory?
Merlin wanted the power to maintain peace in the universe, but he had to expel his inner darkness in order to do so. Merlin tried to vanquish the darkness, but he could not, so he had no choice but to have another vessel absorb the darkness. He then created the dagger to control the darkness.
3) Will we see Arthur/Guienvere/Lancelot?
Yes, and I think we may even see Lancelot return. Wouldn’t be surprised if Cora lied that she killed him, and he is still alive.
4) Who was the original Dark One?
Either Morgan Le Fay or Mordred.
5) Who will have control of Emma’s dagger?
Hook, Henry or her parents.
6) Will we see Zelena again? Will we see August again? Will we see Ursula again?
Zelena is still pregnant, so I expect that storyline to continue in some form. I think we could see August again, as he is still an adult, but it depends on Eion Bailey’s availability. We won’t see Ursula again.
7) Will we other lands besides the EF and (maybe) Camelot?
Agrabah, if we get Aladdin. Wonderland is another possibility, if they actually take the time to finally explain what happened to Anastasia.
8) Who is Lily’s father?
Merlin.
9) Will Rumple wake up? When?
Yes, and unlike many people here, I think he will wake up as soon as the Season premiere.
10) Will Henry get a new quill?
Nope. He made it clear that he thinks nobody should have that power.
11) Is the Apprentice dead?
Yes.
12) How will the SB gang find Emma?
They will use the dagger to summon her.
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