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Been looking through finding some plot holes.
Does true loves kiss only work the once or something? When Snow found out she was cursed why not just ask hubby to kiss her again. Rumple said that true love can break any curse. Plus they knew this as the scenes of Snow and Charming in the EF are AFTER he broke the sleeping curse.
Then, why the need for Henry to deceive Regina, he knew about the vault, and she had already told him that a) she wants to share all her secrets with him and b) she wants to redeem herself, why not just ASK to be taken to the vault? She couldn’t exactly refuse as he knew about it’s existance and she’s trying to seek forgiveness.
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
Finally if she was trapped in Wonderland with Jefferson why did Jefferson end up in Storybrooke, and Cora end up in the Enchanted Forrest?
[adrotate group="5"]Does true loves kiss only work the once or something?
I don’t think there’s a limit to the number of times a true love’s kiss would work. Although Snow was cursed, it was actually a poison, so maybe a kiss wasn’t a powerful enough antidote. True love’s kiss is not powerful enough to bring someone back from the dead, but is is powerful enough to awaken someone from a sleeping curse. Perhaps being rendered barren by a poison falls somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, and so requires a more powerful antidote like water from Lake Gnostos.
Why not just ASK to be taken to the vault?
I don’t think this is so much a plot-hole as much as a choice that Henry made. Although he could ask Regina for help, I don’t think he’s ready to forgive her. He blames her for trying to kill Emma and Snow White and for them going missing. Henry doesn’t trust Regina at all, and he doesn’t want to ask for her help, as Jefferson suggested he ought to do. He’s upset, and until then, Prince Charming hadn’t wanted Henry to help. Henry’s decision to take matters into his own hands was very much in keeping with his actions in S1 when he climbed down the mine shaft to look for clues or ate the apple turn-over. He’s a lot like Prince Charming, Snow White, and Emma in his determination.
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
My first guess is that the pit is a big, dark space, and so it’d be easy enough to hide down there. Cora was in the shadows when she first revealed herself to Emma. Cora could’ve pretended to hide out in the cave while she was in Lancelot’s form. Also, her magic allows to appear and disappear really quickly. My second guess is that Cora might be a powerful enough witch to make it seem like she’s both in the pit and Lancelot at the same time.
Finally if she was trapped in Wonderland with Jefferson why did Jefferson end up in Storybrooke, and Cora end up in the Enchanted Forrest?
The executive producers have said we’re going to learn the answer to this type of question as S2 unfolds. My own theory is that the different worlds seen in Jefferson’s hat portal somehow got mixed together as a result of the curse, bringing people from Wonderland and Neverland to the Enchanted Forest. That is perhaps why Captain Hook and Cora are stranded there in the present day. Another theory I read is that since Regina unleashed the dark curse, she may have had the power to choose which people she brought over to SB and which people remained behind. If that’s true, then Regina would want to keep Cora as far away from SB as possible, while wanting to keep Jefferson close by in case he could be of any further use to her.
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@Crest1994 wrote:
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
Maybe the other people didn’t know of Cora at all/ didn’t know cora was in the pit. The only one snow mentions cora to is lancelot, who was cora all along. maybe if she had told someone else (unlikely, she trusts lancelot) they would have been like ‘cora who?’ so basically, she pretends to be lancelot for the entire time (even before snow and emma show up), recognizes snow, appears in the dungeon to gain emma’s support/get information, and once snow and emma leave, she can leave the pit (emma and snow will assume she stayed, no one else knows she was there in the first place) and pretend to be lancelot.
@Crest1994 wrote:
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
I take it that she was Lancelot full time until Emma and Snow showed up. At which point she simply appeared down the pit as herself to try to get information out of the newcomers. I base this assumption on the camera plan right after some guy throws a rope for Emma and Snow to climb up, Cora puts herself just out of sight do that the guy at the top cannot see her.
Another plot hole would be, what sort of claim does Snow and Charming have over king George’s kingdom? So what George was mean to them? he does not appear to be a bad monarch, he seems to care for his people.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Does true loves kiss only work the once or something?
I don’t think there’s a limit to the number of times a true love’s kiss would work. Although Snow was cursed, it was actually a poison, so maybe a kiss wasn’t a powerful enough antidote. True love’s kiss is not powerful enough to bring someone back from the dead, but is is powerful enough to awaken someone from a sleeping curse. Perhaps being rendered barren by a poison falls somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, and so requires a more powerful antidote like water from Lake Gnostos.
This makes sense to me. Technically, she was poisoned. When I think, “curse”, I think of something that has to be enacted with a spell and/or an incantation. Poison doesn’t fall into that category of things that the kiss can fix.
Why not just ASK to be taken to the vault?
I don’t think this is so much a plot-hole as much as a choice that Henry made.
Yeah, I’ve seen poor Henry copping a fair bit of flack for that choice, but frankly, I don’t blame the kid. Just because he doesn’t want Regina dead, that doesn’t mean that suddenly he’s forgiven everything she’s done. There’s no way he’d be willing to trust her yet.
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
I agree with Belle-Fire and Marilou. Don’t think anyone knew anything about Cora being there. If the people knew about Cora at all, it was probably because their leader “Lancelot” would speak of a terrible evil that was lurking somewhere in the world, to keep them scared and in line.
Finally if she was trapped in Wonderland with Jefferson why did Jefferson end up in Storybrooke, and Cora end up in the Enchanted Forrest?
The executive producers have said we’re going to learn the answer to this type of question as S2 unfolds.
Yeah, we don’t really have any idea yet how anyone from worlds other than FTL ended up in SB. Personally, I’ve always wondered if Jefferson somehow got back to FTL not long before the curse hit, possibly when Alice went to Wonderland, she may have found a way to help him get home. If Cora, (assuming she’s QoH) heard about that, she could have been able to use the same pathway/portal/whatever to get back to FTL, intend on revenge on Regina and Rumple, (QoH did lock Jefferson up and tell him to make another hat, she must have had a reason for doing that).
If not, and Cora and Jefferson were both still in Wonderland when the curse hit, another thought I’ve had is that FTL natives were affected by the curse, no matter what world they were in. So if QoH was originally Cora, she’d get pulled back to FTL where she’s originally from. Same deal with Jefferson, who ended up in SB via FTL. And also same deal with Hook getting sucked back into FTL from Neverland.
If Regina was able to choose who and what came to SB, (and Mr Gold did comment that he knew she wouldn’t be able to resist bringing Maleficent through, so I’d say that’s a safe bet), she wouldn’t have wanted her mother to come along for the ride. No way is Regina getting her happy ending if Cora’s around.
@Marilou wrote:
Another plot hole would be, what sort of claim does Snow and Charming have over king George’s kingdom? So what George was mean to them? he does not appear to be a bad monarch, he seems to care for his people.
Well, Charming is heir to that kingdom, even though he’s only been George’s fake son for all of 5 minutes, technically, he’s still heir. And then George tried to have him killed. So I guess it’d be a matter of principle that Charming isn’t gonna let him go on ruling, and intends to de-throne him and claim what’s his.
Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t King George already been de-throned? I remember an episode of them retaking the castle when Charming was locked up by Regina, and the knights have the same crest. Did we find out what happened to George after Charming and Snow took back the Castle/Kingdom?
@Belle-fire wrote:
@Crest1994 wrote:
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
Maybe the other people didn’t know of Cora at all/ didn’t know cora was in the pit. The only one snow mentions cora to is lancelot, who was cora all along. maybe if she had told someone else (unlikely, she trusts lancelot) they would have been like ‘cora who?’ so basically, she pretends to be lancelot for the entire time (even before snow and emma show up), recognizes snow, appears in the dungeon to gain emma’s support/get information, and once snow and emma leave, she can leave the pit (emma and snow will assume she stayed, no one else knows she was there in the first place) and pretend to be lancelot.
That was my take too after they’re let out of the pit they only talk to Cora (as Lancelot) about Cora.
Yes, I agree that the people know only Lancelot and don’t know Cora at all. Cora must have seen Emma and Snow get thrown into the pit and then went to meet them. One thing that I do wonder about though is the fact that they are talking to Cora when they get the news that they have been summoned. How could Cora have, as Lancelot, had them summoned at the same time that they were talking to her as Cora in the Pit?
Maybe the other people didn’t know of Cora at all/ didn’t know cora was in the pit. The only one snow mentions cora to is lancelot, who was cora all along. maybe if she had told someone else (unlikely, she trusts lancelot) they would have been like ‘cora who?’ so basically, she pretends to be lancelot for the entire time (even before snow and emma show up), recognizes snow, appears in the dungeon to gain emma’s support/get information, and once snow and emma leave, she can leave the pit (emma and snow will assume she stayed, no one else knows she was there in the first place) and pretend to be lancelot.
That’s what I’m thinking, too. At the end of “Lady of the Lake,” Mulan does seem to know who Cora is and she recognized Cora. But that doesn’t mean that Mulan thought they had Cora in their prison this whole time.
The only people to see Cora before the end were Snow and Emma. Even the guards who brought Snow and Emma in (“We Are Both”) didn’t see or acknowledge Cora. She showed up after they left.
HOWEVER! When they throw down the rope for Snow and Emma, Cora is visible from above. Oddly, this is also when the guard says, “Our leader requests an audience.”
Slightly off track here, i know, but i’m not so sure Lancelot IS dead. Just keeps going through my head that it’s very throw away of the writters to not use him more as him, rather than cora as him(oh sorry that sounds confusing! 😆 )
Although I know it was Cora playing Lancelot when snow and Emma were taken out of the pitt, what if (and this is going to be quite a big what if) Lancelot was alive in his cabin up until he orders Snow and Emma out of the pitt, Cora then magics into Lancelot’s cabin, knocks him out (or magics him away, whatever?) and THEN appears as him to get the gossip from Emma as Snow wouldn’t let her talk before??
I know it’s VERY far fetched but hey, that’s how my mind works 😀oh yes! and if anyone follows Sinqua on twitter, he tweeted a very crafty message when we see it’s Cora disguised as Lancelot and find out she killed him
But did Lancelot really die???? Hmmmm!
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