Plotholes

[Gaultheria]

@Crest1994 wrote:

Does true loves kiss only work the once or something? When Snow found out she was cursed why not just ask hubby to kiss her again. Rumple said that true love can break any curse. Plus they knew this as the scenes of Snow and Charming in the EF are AFTER he broke the sleeping curse.

I wonder if a cure was even necessary. George only said Snow’s drink was cursed. It might have been completely safe (and the EPT amulet thoroughly non-magical). Still a very effective way for George to be cruel and to let Snow and James know the reason for his cruelty, and to force the couple to live in fear of all the possible ways George could drag out his revenge. Very unfortunate for James’ mother, if that’s the case. Pretty silly of her to pass up the cure anyway, when only one of the two problems urgently needed immediate treatment.

[Gaultheria]

@pinkfairy wrote:

Slightly off track here, i know, but i’m not so sure Lancelot IS dead.

“Leviathan” is too much of a synonym for “whale” to not be significant.

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@Gaultheria wrote:

“Leviathan” is too much of a synonym for “whale” to not be significant.

It IS curious that they chose to give him such a name. Hmmm.

“Leviathan is a sea monster referred to in the Bible. The word has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. In literature (e.g., Herman Melville’s Moby-Dick) it refers to great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply “whale.”

I liked that they had Lancelot mention that his mother had raised him near a lake, considering the legend goes that the Lady of the Lake is who raised him. Maybe he’s a lake monster named Nessie. 😉 Seriously though there’s gotta be a reason for them giving him that particular name.

[LisaFromOH]

EPT amulet 😆
Good catch, Gaultheria and Phee on Leviathan being a synonym for whale. There’s no way he could’ve turned into Dr. Whale, is there?

[Gaultheria]

@LisaFromOH wrote:

There’s no way he could’ve turned into Dr. Whale, is there?

They could merge Arthurian legend (and I like how “You’re not my prince!” ties in to that) with Jekyll and Hyde. It’d be a really, really weird combination, but maybe it’d be fun.

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[mujie]

@Crest1994 wrote:

Been looking through finding some plot holes.

1. Does true loves kiss only work the once or something? When Snow found out she was cursed why not just ask hubby to kiss her again. Rumple said that true love can break any curse. Plus they knew this as the scenes of Snow and Charming in the EF are AFTER he broke the sleeping curse.

2. Then, why the need for Henry to deceive Regina, he knew about the vault, and she had already told him that a) she wants to share all her secrets with him and b) she wants to redeem herself, why not just ASK to be taken to the vault? She couldn’t exactly refuse as he knew about it’s existance and she’s trying to seek forgiveness.

3. Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?

4. Finally if she was trapped in Wonderland with Jefferson why did Jefferson end up in Storybrooke, and Cora end up in the Enchanted Forrest?

1. Magic is complicated. It’s not true love’s kiss if you’re kissing to break a curse. True love’s kiss isn’t those every-day kisses. True love’s kiss is when both people are at the height of true love, when both love each other more than anything in the world. For a few seconds, Rumple loved Belle more than anything in the world and vice verca. He broke it by loving his magic more than Belle again. In this episode, Emma was more important than Charming, so true love’s kiss would not have been that. But that’s my theory.

By the way, I think when they mean curse, they mean anything weaker or equal to the power of a curse.

2. Regina may want redemption, but she doesn’t want Henry to get hurt, same as why David wanted Henry not to be involved. Henry knew that, so he wouldn’t ask.

3. Simple. Most likely, she was never meant to be in the pit! They only told Lancelot about the encounter!

4. That… is more complicated. We’ll find out in another episode almost definitely.

@Everyone who thinks Doctor Whale is Leviathan: Lancelot said he was Levaiathan: “Is that what they call me now?” or something like that?

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I do believe in the episode ”Apple as Red as Blood” (or something like that), Regina says to Jefferson “when I brought you over…”. She refers to bringing Jefferson over when she enacted the curse.

[hmverhagen]

Crest, maybe George wasn’t dethroned. Perhaps the knights were just loyal to Charming. When he wanted to fight the dragon, they all challenged it before he did. Aka: They accepted Charming as the new Prince and possibly became friends.

[hmverhagen]

Hmmm…I think that line is still debateable, Lorem. Did she bring Jefferson over personally, or thought the curse? Regina vanished with Snow and Charming, but is she able to make the hat work on her own. (I know Emma probably helped her recently. I’m talking about shortly after the curse was cast. We know she had some magic stored in her vault because she mentions this to Jefferson in Apple As Red As Blood.)

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Don’t think Regina can work the hat on her own, otherwise she wouldn’t have gone to Jefferson for help in Apple Red As Blood. In Broken, I think she was just hoping it’d somehow work, because magic was back, and she didn’t have time to find Jefferson, and she was desperate, so had to take a gamble and try. But as we saw, it didn’t work until Emma touched her.

So going back to Hat Trick, I think that Jefferson wasn’t far off the mark when he told Emma that she could make a hat work. I don’t think that the hat she made in that ep worked though. There wasn’t any magic floating around town at that point in time, so there weren’t the necessary resources for Emma to tap into to make it work. The more I think about it, the more I think that Emma’s power isn’t so much an individual power of her own, it’s more like she’s a conductor of other people’s powers and magic in general. Kinda like she can tap into magic that’s in the air and amplify it. Back in Hat Trick, there was simply nothing in the air for her to conduct or amplify, but in Broken, there was.

I guess that could be linked to her self professed lie detection “superpower”. As long as she’s fed some information, be it something someone says, or some magic, she can find the truth in it and use it.

Look at me getting all rambly and off topic, oops. 😛

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