Poor Regina

[Slurpeez]

@MagicKingdomღ wrote:

I felt bad for Regina during last week’s episode, but I understood why the Charmings didn’t invite her. Too much has happened between them for them to just become besties. The fact that the they’re being polite to one another should be enough for Regina. She was almost torn apart by an angry mob a few weeks ago, and now, she’s getting praise from the people who she tried to kill. Regina should be grateful. And I seriously hope the reason why she goes off the rails doesn’t have anything to do with Henry not inviting her over for dinner. That would be silly.

Yes, it would be silly for a normal, level-headed person to fly off the rails for not getting a dinner invite. Yet, Regina is an unstable, recovering magic addict without a support network and a crazy, manipulative witch of a mother who’s just arrived in SB. Any threat (real or not) that Regina perceives that she’s losing Henry could be enough to push Regina off the no-magic bandwagon. Plus, with Mr. Gold whispering dangerous thoughts of Regina losing custody of her son, she’s bound to snap at some point.

Also, Regina has a very bad history at misdirecting the blame where her mother is involved. Regina went crazy for something her mother did (killing Daniel) but then proceeded to take out her anger on Snow, who was young and manipulated by Cora. Regina’s anger at what her mother did is disproportionally taken out on the Charmings and everyone else. Cora being in town could seriously take away whatever little sanity Regina managed to recover since the curse was broken. If Regina perceives that Cora could try and take Henry, she may feel the only way to protect him is by resorting to magic, which she doesn’t know Emma has. She might therefore strongly object to the Charmings’ claim to custody. The promo for 2×10 shows Regina yelling at the Charmings “you're not going to take my son!” and then using magic to violently blow Emma backwards. I'd say the old, rage-fuled Regina could be rearing her head because of her mother's arrival and also because of her perception that the Charmings are excluding Regina from Henry's life (however true or not).

[Grimmsister]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@MagicKingdomღ wrote:

. And I seriously hope the reason why she goes off the rails doesn’t have anything to do with Henry not inviting her over for dinner. That would be silly.

Yes, it would be silly for a normal, level-headed person to fly off the rails for not getting a dinner invite. Yet, Regina is an unstable, recovering magic addict without a support network and a crazy, manipulative witch of a mother who’s just arrived in SB. Any threat (real or not) that Regina perceives that she’s losing Henry could be enough to push Regina off the no-magic bandwagon. Plus, with Mr. Gold whispering dangerous thoughts of Regina losing custody of her son, she’s bound to snap at some point.

I don’t think the deal is going to be about her not getting an invite or not. I think too much is being put in to that invitation. That is not going to be THE reason she drops of the ‘no magic wagon’. It’s probably going to be about the threat of loosing Henry to either the Charmings or Cora. The scene in Golds shop with the invite and Henry letting go of her hand, was just a little hint of that happening in the future. I think…

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Also, Regina has a very bad history at misdirecting the blame where her mother is involved. Regina went crazy for something her mother did (killing Daniel) but then proceeded to take out her anger on Snow, who was young and manipulated by Cora. Regina’s anger at what her mother did is disproportionally taken out on the Charmings and everyone else. Cora being in town could seriously take away whatever little sanity Regina managed to recover since the curse was broken. If Regina perceives that Cora could try and take Henry, she may feel the only way to protect him is by resorting to magic, which she doesn’t know Emma has. She might therefore strongly object to the Charmings claim to custody. The promo for 2×10 shows Regina yelling at the Charmings “you're not going to take my son!” and then using magic to violently blow Emma backwards. I'd say the old, rage-fuled Regina could be rearing her head because of her mother's arrival and also because of her perception that the Charmings are excluding Regina from Henry's life (however true or not).

in regards to the spoiler remark. I think in the next couple of episodes we will see Evil popping up its ugly head in the faces of the Charmings. That would be great, I think, to see it from that side now that we have seen good from the ‘evil’ side. If you get my point….sometimes i’m terrible at explaining myself 😉

[the fairest]

@MagicKingdomღ wrote:

I felt bad for Regina during last week’s episode, but I understood why the Charmings didn’t invite her. Too much has happened between them for them to just become besties. The fact that the they’re being polite to one another should be enough for Regina. She was almost torn apart by an angry mob a few weeks ago, and now, she’s getting praise from the people who she tried to kill. Regina should be grateful. And I seriously hope the reason why she goes off the rails doesn’t have anything to do with Henry not inviting her over for dinner. That would be silly.

I totally agree.

[antbee]

@medchen wrote:

I don’t think the deal is going to be about her not getting an invite or not. I think too much is being put in to that invitation. That is not going to be THE reason she drops of the ‘no magic wagon’. It’s probably going to be about the threat of loosing Henry to either the Charmings or Cora. The scene in Golds shop with the invite and Henry letting go of her hand, was just a little hint of that happening in the future. I think…

Excellent point. If she’s unable to accept that people besides Henry still don’t want to be around for what she’s done to them, and that turns her back into her old ways, then her rehabilitation was probably never going to work if something as simple as not getting invited somewhere is going to set her off. She needs to realize that it wasn’t just Henry that she has to make it up to, but the whole town and until then she can’t expect not to be treated like a pariah.

I understand that “keep your enemies closer” idea, but in reality, she’s caused so much pain to all of them that it’s unrealistic imo for them to do that especially since it’s only been a few weeks since she was last trying to kill everyone. I think that the Charmings are actually saints and/or dumb for saving her life multiple times and letting her have contact with Henry, and that under the circumstances, it was very normal that Henry wanted to catch up with Emma and Snow without having it be all awkward for everyone by having Regina be there.

[crest1994]

I felt so sorry for Regina in this episode, she proved she had changed, Henry said so himself, and yet they still shun her.

We have to put up with Heny and Mary Margaret’s holier than thou attitude every damn week. If they were as good as they say they were they would have invited her over. After all she saved their lives. Had Regina not been involved Gold would have carried on regardless and they’d be shish kebab by now, but she saved their sorry arses.

For those saying, oh but she’s done so much bad over the years. Yes because her true love was taking away. We all do crazy things when we’re in love. It’s not out of the ordinary to act out over something like this, the problem is she had magic so she was turbo charged.

She had proven she had changed though, and they still shunned her.

Also I really doubt Henry would really be so attached to Emma rather than Regina. Yes Emma is his birth mother, but he’s only known her a couple of months, whereas Regina actually raised him.

I think the reason why the curse didn’t break fully is because Emma’s love for Henry while strong, wasn’t THE STRONGEST, (how could you have true love for someone you’ve known a couple of months) I think a good twist would be for some stage late in the future, probably final episode for Regina to kiss Henry for whatever reason, and that love is so powerful that it breaks the curse completely and they return to EF

[elle]

Everyone is quick to go on about how Regina saved Emma and Snow White, but how about the fact that Emma saved Regina a good amount of times. 🙂

1). She saved Regina in Desperate Souls. 🙂 True, Mr. Gold had planned it, but Emma didn’t know that, and she risked her life to save her.

2). The mob was ready to tear Regina (and understandable so) apart, and Emma stepped up and defending Regina, as did the other Charmings. What did they owe Regina then? Nothing. She had torned apart their family numerous times and enjoyed every minute of it.

3). They saved her from the Wraith. Prince Charming was (again understandably) unwilling to help Regina, who had the gall to claim that he was not setting an example for his daughter. What example did she set for Henry? She killed Graham out of revenge and bitterness. She tried to have Kathryn killed and framed the whole thing on Mary Margaret. She locked Belle in the asylum due to her relationship with Rumpelstiltskin. She was going to have Mary MArgaret put on trial and sent out of Storybrooke. And this was all before she unleashed her curse and cursed everyone to an unhappy life for 28 years.

4). And when they saved her from the wraith, she seemed not at all grateful for what they had done for her. She was smug that she had gotten her power, and would have killed Prince Charming. Yes, she did save Emma and Snow White, but seeing as how they fell through the portal in the first place because of Regina, that can be called even.

I do like Regina because she is trying, but she has yet to truly have redeemed. She is not apologetic for the horrors that she has done. So I don’t blame the Charming Family for not inviting her.

Emma and Henry and even Prince Charming had already showed her enough appeciation. More than she deserved. Yes she had a tragic story, but so did many of the character son the show. Emma, Red Riding Hood, Snow White, and many others all have had horrible things happen to them, and none have them went around killing others. I think they deserve a lot more credit.

[snowfalls]

@Elle wrote:

Everyone is quick to go on about how Regina saved Emma and Snow White, but how about the fact that Emma saved Regina a good amount of times. 🙂

1). She saved Regina in Desperate Souls. 🙂 True, Mr. Gold had planned it, but Emma didn’t know that, and she risked her life to save her.

2). The mob was ready to tear Regina (and understandable so) apart, and Emma stepped up and defending Regina, as did the other Charmings. What did they owe Regina then? Nothing. She had torned apart their family numerous times and enjoyed every minute of it.

3). They saved her from the Wraith. Prince Charming was (again understandably) unwilling to help Regina, who had the gall to claim that he was not setting an example for his daughter. What example did she set for Henry? She killed Graham out of revenge and bitterness. She tried to have Kathryn killed and framed the whole thing on Mary Margaret. She locked Belle in the asylum due to her relationship with Rumpelstiltskin. She was going to have Mary MArgaret put on trial and sent out of Storybrooke. And this was all before she unleashed her curse and cursed everyone to an unhappy life for 28 years.

4). And when they saved her from the wraith, she seemed not at all grateful for what they had done for her. She was smug that she had gotten her power, and would have killed Prince Charming. Yes, she did save Emma and Snow White, but seeing as how they fell through the portal in the first place because of Regina, that can be called even.

I do like Regina because she is trying, but she has yet to truly have redeemed. She is not apologetic for the horrors that she has done. So I don’t blame the Charming Family for not inviting her.

Emma and Henry and even Prince Charming had already showed her enough appeciation. More than she deserved. Yes she had a tragic story, but so did many of the character son the show. Emma, Red Riding Hood, Snow White, and many others all have had horrible things happen to them, and none have them went around killing others. I think they deserve a lot more credit.

Exactly. Emma has helped Regina on numerous occassions and she had no logical reason to do so. After everything Regina has done to her family, Emma and Snow shouldn’t be expected to help Regina with anything. But they do it anyway because it’s the right thing to do. I don’t want to take anything away from Regina saving Snow and Emma. That was a huge step for her. But that act was more like repentance. After all the pain she’s inflicted upon the Charming family, she needs to work to regain their trust again.

[Grimmsister]

What is it in your opinion she must doo to be redeemed or forgiven ? if I may ask.
Is it like with the AA steps: Apologies – something – something –

[elle]

@medchen

Show true remorse for what she has done. Be sorry for all the wrong she committed. The lives she ruined. The familes she tore apart. The people she locked away. 🙂 Not once have I seen her look sorry. She and Prince Charming worked together, but not once did she seem even appreciative of how he was willing to let her be with Henry.

When she met Belle in the diner she leered at her, trying to intimdate her. 🙂 When Emma and Snow White risked their lives for her, she wasn’t at all sorry for them falling in the portal. She was just happy that had her powers back.

[snowfalls]

@medchen wrote:

What is it in your opinion she must doo to be redeemed or forgiven ?

Just continue on the path that she’s already on.

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