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August knew about the dagger because HE HAD READ THE BOOK- remember he planted his own story in there after he stole it from Henry’s hiding place, so he knew all about it from there- if not before.
But we don’t know that Rumple’s dagger story is in the book. Henry didn’t know who Gold was in reality and it was only recently that we learned Bae was in the book, and I think a lot of us were surprised by that. It’s supposed to be Rumple’s greatest secret, so I don’t know if it would be in the book.
How did SB get supplies etc.if no ‘real world’ people could find SB- there’s no way they could have been totally self sufficient (cars, phones, computers, many types of refined/packaged grocery products, ipods/mp4 players etc- that all had to come from somewhere else)? (I know this is an ocd thing to bring up, but they could have laid off the hidden thing a bit- its not like that stuff pops up out of thin air & I have to over look that fact everytime I watch S1 now
The Curse is self-sustaining. It as designed to make sure everyone would stay alive forever, trapped in a bubble. Nothing needed to come into town because the Curse essentially provided for everything, including upgrades in technology and clothing when it was appropriate. The Curse was designed to make sure that everything appears as normal to those living within the town.
How Henry got into SB from the ‘real world’ if SB doesn’t even exist even on a map.
How did Henry even leave SB to go find Ema in the 1st place- it’s not like he caught the night bus outta SB, or hitched a ride?Actually I can totally see Henry riding his bike out of SB and finding a bus to Boston.
And as for how he get into SB: that’s a S3 story. H and K have said we’ll learn about that in S3.[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Surayya wrote:
But it still comes down to how did August knew it controled the dark one, he wasn’t around with Rumple was locked up everyone else was under the curse.
August knew about the dagger because HE HAD READ THE BOOK– remember he planted his own story in there after he stole it from Henry’s hiding place, so he knew all about it from there- if not before.
We still dunno exactly how much of Rumple’s story was in the book. Given that Henry hadn’t figured out who he was, it’s safe to say that there wasn’t an overwhelming amount of info about him in there. August did have a drawing of the dagger though, and that was something separate from the book.
My plot holes include:
How did SB get supplies etc.if no ‘real world’ people could find SB- there’s no way they could have been totally self sufficientThis bugged me up until Welcome to Storybrooke, after which it appeared likely that it was a construct of the curse to keep everything replenished. Each day looped to a certain extent, but things still progressed over the years as things like technology and fashion updated. “It’s magic” is the simplest explanation. The curse took care of them and made sure they remained fed. You’d think they’d be running low on supplies now since the curse breaking, though.
How Henry got into SB from the ‘real world’ if SB doesn’t even exist even on a map.
How did Henry even leave SB to go find Ema in the 1st place- it’s not like he caught the night bus outta SB, or hitched a ride? 😕 😕 😕I figure he just rode his bike to the nearest town that had a legit bus stop.
If Snow & Emma needed the compass in order for the FTL portal to send them to our world (I assume because they jumped in without a vessel), why then didn’t GOT need an indicator to get to NL? Or Bae to our world? *cough convenient cough* 😉
Snow and Emma’s portal was unique. It was made with ashes from the wardrobe, so it didn’t operate the same way that fully functioning bean portals do, so they needed the compass to help it determine their destination.
ETA: Didn’t see RG’s post before I submitted mine. Get out of my brain. 😆
@RumplesGirl wrote:
But we don’t know that Rumple’s dagger story is in the book. Henry didn’t know who Gold was in reality and it was only recently that we learned Bae was in the book, and I think a lot of us were surprised by that. It’s supposed to be Rumple’s greatest secret, so I don’t know if it would be in the book.
The dagger is in the book- there is a picture showing it & Rumples story of how he became the dark one- I’ve just been watching S1 again 😉 It is also where August got his pic of the dagger from 😉
Bae is in the book to, so I wasnt surprised at all.Henry didn’t figure it out as he didn’t have the benefit of 1) Pino/August, who was living among everyone with their own history intact & 2) knowing/seeing Gold as a green scaly dude or rag bedecked, beggar looking guy from the book 😉
It would also explain why Snowing, Emma, Regina, Hook etc know about it- they all had access to the info in the book (Regina read it, Henry only removed the last pages about Emma- she told Hook & maybe Cora, if she didnt already know), Emma read it too, so it wasnt a big surprise for her or Snowing & honestly, somethings on the show are just plain convenient so storytelling sake (ie. the easily stopped Unstoppable fail-safe springs to mind) 😉
Tell me what episode, please. I’d like to check for myself because I find it very odd (if that is indeed in the episode) that 1) more of us wouldn’t have known and 2) that Henry still would have been unaware of who Gold was. You could be right but I’d like to check.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
Tell me what episode, please. I’d like to check for myself because I find it very odd (if that is indeed in the episode) that 1) more of us wouldn’t have known and 2) that Henry still would have been unaware of who Gold was. You could be right but I’d like to check.
I’ll go back through later on- it’s actually 2am here & I’m sick (have been for the last 9days), so have no intention of looking for the exact scenes you want now sorry- I only remember seeing them, as I’ve watch them in the last 9days.
If Henry’s fairy tale book is anything like the Grimm Brothers’s or Hans Christian Andersen’s then it’s certain not to be a single, huge, cohesive story, but a collection of smaller ones with no apparent connection between them, most of the times not even mentioning the names of the characters involved. The story of Rumple becoming the Dark One and losing Bae would then be about namelesses father and son and separated from Rumple’s story with Cora and Belle (where he’d be named only as Beast, as in the original tale), and so on.
The only difference is that the stories would be closer to what is shown on ONCE than on the real life books.
Here is the wikia for the images of the book and inside the book for S1 and S2. I don’t see Rumple’s dagger or story anywhere, but I’m going to keep looking. I’m not saying I’m fully doubting you or that you need to give me the information now, but if Rumple’s story was in the book, I just feel we would know. We’re not normal. We tend to retain that kind of information. 😀
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Lol- it’s possible I’ve become wasted on cough drops & syrup & imagined it all 😉 However I remember seeing it & thinking- Oh that explains why the dagger is the worst kept secret in FTL, it bugged me that anyone aside from Bae would know considering who ever holds it controls Rumple & he murdered a mute maid because she ‘may’ have over heard him talking about it (aside from Bae telling Hook- but then he shouldn’t have said something along the lines of what dagger earlier in S2- though I suppose one could say he was playing dumb I guess). Besides why would Bae tell anyone else about the dagger after what happened with Hook- he knows what will happen if anyone gets that dagger.
I also clearly remember Bae wearing a greenish cape/shawl thingy in the book too…. think I’m finally tired enough to sleep!Bae is absolutely in the book. 100% yes. (And I about fell out of my chair when that was revealed in S,B and T) and thought it was proof that Blue wrote the book.
I also agree that the dagger is the worst kept secret in FTL and SB, which I know is something no one understood because until The Queen is Dead (when Snow and Charming let the audience know that they knew about it) everyone assumed that *no one* knew about it except Rumple and Bae and the BF.
But I’m still going through all images of the book and thus far, there are stories we haven’t seen but nothing to do with Rumple. It’s possible that the story of Rumple and Bae is in there, but like Demileto suggested, is not about the Dark One but about a father who lost his son. But a story as big as Rumple becoming the Dark One and then losing his son would stick out like a sore thumb for Henry and he would have known who Gold is and what he was after.But like I said…I’m still going through all the images.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
Bae is absolutely in the book. 100% yes. (And I about fell out of my chair when that was revealed in S,B and T) and thought it was proof that Blue wrote the book.
I also agree that the dagger is the worst kept secret in FTL and SB, which I know is something no one understood because until The Queen is Dead (when Snow and Charming let the audience know that they knew about it) everyone assumed that *no one* knew about it except Rumple and Bae and the BF.
But I’m still going through all images of the book and thus far, there are stories we haven’t seen but nothing to do with Rumple. It’s possible that the story of Rumple and Bae is in there, but like Demileto suggested, is not about the Dark One but about a father who lost his son. But a story as big as Rumple becoming the Dark One and then losing his son would stick out like a sore thumb for Henry and he would have known who Gold is and what he was after.But like I said…I’m still going through all the images.
I doubt it would have stuck out- it’s not like he knew who Page (sp) was. He was focused on HIS family & getting people he already knew well in his life to remember- like the sheriff & Archie. He didn’t know who Ashley was until her circumstances got pointed out or Hansel & Gretel etc.
He had no idea who his father was only his mother because adult Bae wasn’t in the book, only that Rumple’s kid had gone to a land without magic- that could have been any land in Henry’s mind & it happened 300yrs (along time) ago. He didnt care about who Abigail was either, he just wanted MM & David together.
Beside why would he care about Rumple- our world had no magic until Rumple brought it here, so it wouldn’t have meant anything to him at all, he was just some guy who popped up in all the stories & had let his son go sometime in the distant past.
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