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I could see that RG – not sure if they’ll get separate episodes or if it’ll somehow get combined (I hope not, just because it doesn’t leave a lot of time for anything but you never know). There’s lots of questions to be answered, especially regarding Henry getting to SB which I think were originally going to wait a really long time but since they were able to bring his dad in this early plans changed so we should get answers sooner as opposed to later.
I agree, I don’t think she really had any substantial relationships in between Tallahassee and early S1 with hints toward Gremma *sniff* and then again in present day Tallahassee (one of the reasons I love the line “It’s about bloody time” because she’s been without love for sooo long with those stupid walls of hers >.< but I digress... Pesky rights – I wonder how they planned on doing things originally and then once they found out they couldn’t get the rights how those plans changed and now that they did get them…well we’ll just have to see how it actually plays out. Pretty much everything we were teased with in S1 was changed because they got the rights (thank goodness but I’m still curious what various teases meant and how they were going to deal with things had they had to go that route – perhaps someday they’ll tell us when we see more things play out.
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What worries me is they seem to start stuff and you never get to see the ending on some of this missing pot holes. Henry is getting so old that it will be hard to do many back stories on him didn’t they say last year that we would learn how he got adopted and now two seasons latter nothing. Same on the Book they leave us to believe that we will find who wrote it and Emma isn’t no spring chicken so to speak to do many back stories at least with Snow and Bae they had a kid play them but with Emma they didn’t so the longer they stretch out her story line the harder it will be to believe in my opinion. 😕
Well, no. They never said we’d learn how Henry was adopted in S1 or S2. They said it was a story they were going to tell eventually, and now all signs point to S3. Jared doesn’t need to be in the flashback part of that episode because Henry came to SB at 3 weeks old. Same with the book. They can’t answer these questions right away. They are the biggest pieces of mythology of the Onciverse. They have to build up to that. If they answered those big questions, I’d say the show was nearing its end, and I don’t want that. JMo might not be the most convincing 18 year old, I agree, but if they go back any further they’ll get a kid to play her. And moving forward, Emma ages normally, so it makes sense for JMo to play Emma in her 20s. JMo is only like 30 and can pass for pretty young.
Kat said this a few pages back, but a lot of the questions that get raised here by a bunch of us aren’t actual plot holes, they are just questions that haven’t been answered *yet.* We need to remember that there is another season coming, and probably another one after that. They have time to answer all the questions we might raise. But it is 100% impossible to answer every single question every single audience member has. But they will answer the biggest ones, the ones that matter the most. We have to give them time."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, obviously they’re gonna show Henry’s adoption at some point. They don’t need Jared to look young for that, because the character will be a baby. I’ve come to believe that THO were the ones who orchestrated his adoption, and if so, they couldn’t have shown that storyline at any point in the first two seasons because we’ve only just been introduced to THO at the end of season two.
As far as Emma flashbacks, they’ll probably have to make her look younger again when they show her time spent in Tallahassee, (which I assume they will), but if I was able to suspend belief enough to accept she was in her late teens in the previous ep, I’ll happily do it again. Anything else they show over those 10 years before SB, she was living a hard life and having to grow up fast, so I see no reason why JMo wouldn’t be able to successfully portray her younger self in that context.
Have some patience, (I say this as someone who generally has none)!! If they showed us everything about everything immediately, they’d run out of storyline pretty fast and then the show would abruptly end, or it would turn to crap when they tried to make up new stuff just for the sake of keeping it going.
They are going to have to start putting more of this stuff out there the ratings have really dropped from Season 1 to Season 2 and it isn’t because this happens to every show that Season 2 isn’t a good as Season 1, they have lost what they had started with and to keep fans watching they have better start plugging some of these holes and soon and losing Red really didn’t help either in my opinion.
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They are going to have to start putting more of this stuff out there the ratings have really dropped from Season 1 to Season 2 and it isn’t because this happens to every show that Season 2 isn’t a good as Season 1, they have lost what they had started with and to keep fans watching they have better start plugging some of these holes and soon and losing Red really didn’t help either in my opinion.
Rating are an incredibly complicated monster that all shows have to wrestle with. Yes, our rating dropped. But there are several reasons for that:
1) The storyline was far more complicated in season 2 than in season 1. Season 1 was all about getting Emma to believe. It had one goal, one trajectory: to make Emma believe. All the events and stories were clearly leading up to Emma believing and breaking the Curse. Season 2 was much more ambitious. In some ways it succeeded: I found it exciting and intricate and enjoyed many of the twists and turns. In some ways it wasn’t as successful: if you are not a die hard fan, it’s easy to get lost in all the different threads that are being presented.
2) The absolutely terrible scheduling. The stop/start scheduling of S2 did not do us any favors. Combine weird scheduling with overly ambitious storytelling and yes the ratings dropped.Your issues about Red is valid, but I ask you: what more could they do with her?? I’ll miss Red and Meghan but there wasn’t a whole lot left to do with her story. The one story she got this year was obvious filler and one of my least favorites of the first half of the season. Ruby was always going to be the odd man out because she wasn’t as connected to the family (and yes, I know your issues with Belle, we’ve had this discussion many times before, but Belle is Rumple’s TL and therefore Henry’s someday grandmother. She’s family. Ruby was Snow’s best friend, I grant you that, but she her relationship to the CharmingStiltskins was always different). It’s about story. it’s about what story A and E want to tell. Ruby in FTL of the past doesn’t have much more to tell. Her big reveal that she’s also the wolf was great but beyond that, there isn’t much you could do. And it isnt’ like Meghan is gone for good. She expects that she’ll reappear once or twice a year. Her leaving isn’t as devastating as say RC or GG or Lana or JMo leaving would be.
As far as “putting stuff in” now: they are going to. We haven’t seen much less heard anything concrete about S3. I agree with Phee. I think THO had something to do with Henry’s adoption and thus they couldn’t tell that story until S3. We got a lot of answers in S2 that we were wondering about at the end of S1 and the same will be true this time around. We have to be patient. A and E are unbelievably smart (they came up with this show after all) and they know what they are doing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"HappyEndings, If you choose to focus on the negative regarding the show, then that’s your prerogative. I don’t personally see the point in picking things apart to the point where the show annoys me, because I watch it for enjoyment.
As for the ratings, they may have dropped, but OUAT is still one of ABC’s top performers, so again, I don’t get the desire to focus on the doom and gloom.
I have faith that this is a story that K&H have wanted to tell for years and as such they will treat their story with respect and tell it in an enjoyable way.
As for the ratings, they may have dropped, but OUAT is still one of ABC’s top performers, so again, I don’t get the desire to focus on the doom and gloom.
As someone who has become an absolute monster about ratings, let me add to this. ONCE is ABC’s third highest rated show. And, out of all the shows on all network USA tv (that’s NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox and the CW) we were 18th in ratings out of about 100 shows. The ratings look bad compared to S1, maybe, but compared to everything else out there, we’re doing perfectly fine.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Aren’t we also the highest scripted show in that timeslot and going up against football etc? The network loves the show (or they wouldn’t bother giving it a spinoff) and besides all of that, it does give them something to bargain with international rights, dvds, netflix, and ABC is part of Disney (or is that the other way around) and it’s BOUND to be helping with all things Disney-related: merchandising, especially costumes, trips to DisneyWorld, renewed interest in the classic movies etc etc.
The ratings dipped a little but I think now that it has 2 seasons and people can catch up (Netflix will help, wish it would get here sooner!) it will continue to grow by word of mouth as it did in season 1. In this day and age, I can understand completely why people are afraid to get into new shows because so often they tank and it’s just time wasted. Seeing a show have a successful couple of seasons under it’s belt is encouraging. Hopefully most of the negativity is kept away from said people so they aren’t so discouraged about trying it out!
Back to plot holes – they do start a lot of threads but they weave in as many as they leave hanging. Some things are answered within the same episode, others the next, others may stretch out for awhile but that’s the only way the show can survive. They give us the important pieces as they are relevant, but they leave little teases along the way so that when they do get to it, we can look back and go WOW it was there and I missed it – plus it makes it seem less out of the blue if there was set up to it and they’re pretty good with setting stuff up.
I’m sure they have a general idea of where the majority of the threads are and how / when is an appropriate time to tell those particular stories. I’m sure we will get to find out about Henry’s adoption as it is highly relevant and has been many repeatedly. They couldn’t get around to it just yet as it likely relates to something we haven’t encountered (like perhaps, THO). Just like they couldn’t show us how Storybrooke began until GregOwen was introduced, or why we weren’t going to find out about Henry’s father for ages because they had already set up that he would be far too old and they didn’t have the rights to send him to NL yet.
Patience. We will get answers, I am sure of it! (At least for most things…some trivial things we may have to just deal with someday like on Lost – though they did finally get around to that missing inhaler lol).
Something tells me having learned from Lost, the writers won’t want to have a lot of loose ends, especially when they know how rabid the fanbase is, so we just have to trust that they’re not really “plot holes” but threads to be woven in at a later date when it’s important to the story.
Because of the flashback set-up, we see what information from the past is relevant to the present-day storyline so some things will just have to wait. The characters themselves have lived all of it already and nobody sits down and remembers their lives in chronological order anyway, they remember things that relate to what they’re going through at the moment.
In the meantime it’s fun to notice the various threads and try and piece some of them together – it certainly makes wrapping our heads around what eventually does happen a little easier (though the entire experience can be a little mind-blowing at times).
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