Pot Holes Questions

[RumplesGirl]

I think we’ll see young Pinocchio in flashbacks (especially if our NL= Pleasure Island theory pans out–ha! unintentional pun) but I doubt we’ll be seeing August again, at least not in any significant way. I still think he’s the one who called the cops on Emma and so maybe we’ll hear that phone call but I don’t think we’ll see him.

[MysteryKat25]

I think we may see August at some point to maybe fill in a couple of gaps here and there.

I do wish we’d see little Pinocchio, even if it’s just hanging out at the park with Henry for a minute rather than just hearing about it. I loved Henry’s friendship with August and it would be nice to see Henry have a friend his own age since he doesn’t really have any.

I’d have loved to have seen Gepetto & Pinocchio at the diner with everyone else, at least we’d get a shot of them being happy post-S,B,&T. If we’re supposed to believe it was August’s greatest wish (which I can kinda buy since he screwed up so much, not to mention that his sacrifice DID help us get Belle & Sneezy back), I’d like to see that it panned out and they were happy. So here’s hoping we get Pinocchio in one form or another at some point.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[kfchimera]

I’d heard the rumors of rumors about Bailey not getting along–but he did also have another show that ended up falling through. Short of Charlie Sheen level antics, I doubt anyone is ever going to go on the record to say what happened, so rumors are all there will be.
I know when the podcast folks here interviewed Anders who plays Whale he mentioned interviewing for pilot season, so I think it was one of those things for non-main characters where they were free by contract to look around, and then the writers had to scramble if one of them jumped to a different project, which Bailey seemed like he was going to do. They have a large cast, and that can be tricky for some of the actors who understandably want a larger role, even if they love the show/crew/cast. So maybe it wasn’t “no love lost” but more opportunities not aligning, and with that having changed, maybe they could use Bailey in some more flashbacks.

They were really trying to push plot the back half of the season to line up the trip to NL. That resulted in somewhat sketchy scenes where you have to really wonder what was going through characters heads. Like Regina, at the well when Henry was going to blow it up, thinking “Hm, Gold’s son sure is nosy. And awfully concerned about Henry….what’s HIS deal?”. We know she didn’t know he was Henry’s father yet, so that’s a little “pothole” for you, what DID she think? Maybe they’d answer that one on twitter one day.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

@Josephine wrote:

I have a feeling that they decided to just scrap the Jefferson/August connection.

Yep, I’m thinking the same. I think that if they’d meant for it to be a known connection they were gonna elaborate on in the future, that cut scene would have been on the DVD, but it wasn’t.

But then we also have to figure out how August knew Neal was Bae.

My current thinking is that it was THO. Little August would have told people about coming from a magical land, just the same as little Owen was telling people about having seen a magical land. If THO were able to locate and snag Owen, then they were also able to locate and snag August. And if THO is connected to PP and his mission to get Henry, (which they must be, considering GOAT took Henry to NL), then THO also knew about Nealfire, who was destined to be the father of the boy who PP ultimately needed. So THO kept tabs on August, Nealfire, and Emma, until such time as SwanFire needed splitting up for things to play out like they were meant to, then they fed August just enough info to orchestrate that splitting up. Then August wanted nothing more to do with any of them, so he took the money and fled to Phuket, and there he stayed, thinking he was in hiding, until THO sent Tamara to lure him back.

I know a lot of you don’t agree, and Eddy and Adam tell everyone she’s good, but it just keeps revolving back to the Blue Fairy. I don’t care how much they deny it, I think she’s going to be the ultimate manipulator/puppet master in the end. Maybe I’m too much into Rumple, but there’s something shady about those fairies.

My theories about BF being the ultimate puppet master hinged on her having retained her memories during the cursed years. But we’ve now been told that she didn’t, so I don’t hold her in such high esteem any more.

I do still suspect that she’s involved in the writing of the book though. Not so sure that it was written in the literal sense that someone sat down and wrote it all out though. More like the fairies could cast a particular spell that would record certain events on paper as they happened in real life. These stories are called fairytales after all, so it stands to reason if the faires are the ones who “wrote” them.

This would explain how Emma going into the wardrobe was in the book. This was vital information that Henry would need in order to believe, so he in turn could help Emma to believe, so it had to go into the book, but it happened at the very moment the curse struck and there was hardly anyone there who knew what happened. BF may well have gone back to check that the Saviour got away, and so may have witnessed that part of the story, but I don’t think she necessarily had to be there, hovering outside the window to witness it. The “final preparations” could have been that she needed to go cast the spell to record those final moments as they happened, so they’d end up in the book. Then BAM, next thing you know, everyone, including the completed book, are in SB.

That book did eventually have a magical effect on Emma. She’d touched it plenty of times, but then there was the time when it triggered her flashbacks. The Curse hadn’t yet been broken at that point, and Rumple hadn’t yet brought back magic at that point, so does that mean that the book had to have some actual magic in it, like other magical items in town that had retained their magic? If so, that means the book had to have come over from FTL.

So then the question becomes how did BF know that the book would be necessary? It now seems IMO that all of this was really just a way for PP to get his paws on Henry. So if BF was tasked with creating and planting that book, then I think that means she had to be an agent working for PP. Which doesn’t make her the big bad, but it does make her an accessory to nefarious deeds.

[RumplesGirl]

So then the question becomes how did BF know that the book would be necessary? It now seems IMO that all of this was really just a way for PP to get his paws on Henry. So if BF was tasked with creating and planting that book, then I think that means she had to be an agent working for PP. Which doesn’t make her the big bad, but it does make her an accessory to nefarious deeds.

I agree. I think a lot of the really big mythology questions will be answered in S3: Henry’s book, Henry’s adoption, the real puppet master, ect. They learned from LOST. Huge overarching myths are great, but you have to give people answers. So if they answer the really big ones in S3, then S4 and subsequent seasons can almost be a new mythology.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Demileto]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I agree. I think a lot of the really big mythology questions will be answered in S3: Henry’s book, Henry’s adoption, the real puppet master, ect. They learned from LOST. Huge overarching myths are great, but you have to give people answers. So if they answer the really big ones in S3, then S4 and subsequent seasons can almost be a new mythology.

Agreed. Especially Henry’s adoption: it just occured to me that sending him to live in a cursed Storybrooke incapable to be found and entered by people from non-magical lands is the perfect way to protect him from being discovered by PP’s Home Office agents, who are most likely all from the Land Without Magic, so I’m sure it’ll be told sometime next season.

[gypsy]

They learned from LOST

They did learn a lot from LOST.
And they brought Damon Linelof in as a consultant for OUAT and refer to him as ‘The Godfather’.

OUAT was actually written a pitched to ABC 2 years before LOST’s S1 pilot aired.
ABC turned K&H down.
It was because of LOST’s huge success and cult following that ABC called K&H back and gave OUAT a second chance 🙂

[HappyEndings]

Did anyone noticed that Snow had a fanny bag on her in Granny’s Resturant when the town was going to be destoryed why would you need that ❓

[kfchimera]

They had the bags because the ORIGINAL plan was to use the bean to escape to FTL and leave Regina to die. Snow had second thoughts at the diner, and then told Emma to “take the hard path” and throw the fail-safe through the portal instead.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[HappyEndings]

Except no one else had them on that was before the beans were taken.

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