Pot Holes Questions

[obisgirl]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Phee wrote:

GOAT -> THO: Here’s all the info we have on SB & its inhabitants, oh and we’ve got a magic bean and some big diamond thing, too.
THO -> PP: GOAT have located the boy you’re looking for, and they have a magic bean and a big diamond thing too.
PP -> THO: Tell them to smash the big diamond thing with a Dwarf axe in the mines, then everyone in town except for the boy will be destroyed, and him they must bring to NL by using the bean.
THO -> GOAT: Take the big diamond thing into the mines, smash it with a Dwarf axe, and when everyone else in town dies, the boy will be the only one left. Use the bean you have to create a portal and deliver him to NL.
GOAT -> THO: NL? Righto, we live to serve, so whatever you say, boss.

Love this. Exactly how I pictured it; GOAT really have no idea what is going on. All that’s missing here is PP twirling a mustache, cackling evilly and saying “yessss! it’s all going according to plan!!”

I guess that makes more sense that communicating via iPhone to Neverland through an app.

[Josephine]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Phee wrote:

GOAT -> THO: Here’s all the info we have on SB & its inhabitants, oh and we’ve got a magic bean and some big diamond thing, too.
THO -> PP: GOAT have located the boy you’re looking for, and they have a magic bean and a big diamond thing too.
PP -> THO: Tell them to smash the big diamond thing with a Dwarf axe in the mines, then everyone in town except for the boy will be destroyed, and him they must bring to NL by using the bean.
THO -> GOAT: Take the big diamond thing into the mines, smash it with a Dwarf axe, and when everyone else in town dies, the boy will be the only one left. Use the bean you have to create a portal and deliver him to NL.
GOAT -> THO: NL? Righto, we live to serve, so whatever you say, boss.

Love this. Exactly how I pictured it; GOAT really have no idea what is going on. All that’s missing here is PP twirling a mustache, cackling evilly and saying “yessss! it’s all going according to plan!!”

And the Blue Fairy with Tinkerbelle behind him smirking. 😆

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[obisgirl]

So that begs the question, how does PP communicate with THO ❓ 😆 Magical mirror? Magic phone app? Mirror? Anyone got ideas? :geek:

[RumplesGirl]

@obisgirl wrote:

So that begs the question, how does PP communicate with THO ❓ 😆 Magical mirror? Magic phone app? Mirror? Anyone got ideas? :geek:

Ok. Here’s my crack theory. The HO in our world is run by Dorothy who stole the Wicked Witch’s magic crystal ball. PP has an identical one and they use it to communicate.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I think the Oz references were for a reason so Dorothy having links to the HO would make sense. Robin Hood, Marian and Wendy were all introduced at the end of the last season for one episode each so I wonder if they are going to have links with the HO or Neverland?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[obisgirl]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@obisgirl wrote:

So that begs the question, how does PP communicate with THO ❓ 😆 Magical mirror? Magic phone app? Mirror? Anyone got ideas? :geek:

Ok. Here’s my crack theory. The HO in our world is run by Dorothy who stole the Wicked Witch’s magic crystal ball. PP has an identical one and they use it to communicate.

Hmmm…

[RumplesGirl]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I think the Oz references were for a reason so Dorothy having links to the HO would make sense. Robin Hood, Marian and Wendy were all introduced at the end of the last season for one episode each so I wonder if they are going to have links with the HO or Neverland?

I am still of the opinion that Tamara is connected to RH and Maid Marian. We need a reasonable explanation for why she hates magic so much, and if Marian (her mother?) died then she might be all kinds of bitter.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I think the Oz references were for a reason so Dorothy having links to the HO would make sense.

Said it before and will say it again: “There’s no place like Home Office.” A Dorothy connection would be good stuff.

I’ve wondered if Tamara’s “grandma” could be an adult Dorothy, and head of THO in our world. I still haven’t reconciled the whole, “time runs perfectly parallel between worlds” stuff in my head, because I don’t get how these characters’ stories have been in our world for 100s of years if they only happened 30 odd years ago, but anyway…

Keb’s t-word suggests that Jefferson and Rumple’s conversation about the slippers was about 17 years pre-Curse. Add 28 Curse years and you get 45. If they make their Dorothy 16ish when she was in Oz, she’d be 60ish in present day in our world.

I’d been more confident of Grandma being involved in THO before the season finale aired, and figured we’d get a reveal of it in the finale if it was the case, because I figured that postponing a callback to Tamara’s photo until season 3 would lessen its impact as casual viewers would be all, “There was some photo with an old lady in it that we briefly saw in an ep forever ago? Meh.” So when we didn’t get that reveal, I momentarily wrote the idea off.

But in season 3, I suspect we’ll see THO trying to invade SB again. They know exactly where it is, so even if Belle manages to get the cloaking spell working, THO could find a way to break in. Maybe they already have a way, always have, they just hadn’t used it before because PP didn’t want SB infiltrated until just the right time so he could get Henry.

If THO are coming back, it would tie them in nicely if the person doing it is someone who already has an established relationship with GOAT, and the only person we’ve seen who would fit that bill, is Grandma. If they’re gonna expand her role, it would make her more interesting if she’s a familiar character. Females they’ve hinted at previously who have contact with our world and a magical land = Dorothy.

Also, if Grandma is as bad… as Granny, that showdown in SB could be EPIC.

Moderator’s edit: edited for language

[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

I’d been more confident of Grandma being involved in THO before the season finale aired, and figured we’d get a reveal of it in the finale if it was the case, because I figured that postponing a callback to Tamara’s photo until season 3 would lessen its impact as casual viewers would be all, “There was some photo with an old lady in it that we briefly saw in an ep forever ago? Meh.” So when we didn’t get that reveal, I momentarily wrote the idea off.

But in season 3, I suspect we’ll see THO trying to invade SB again. They know exactly where it is, so even if Belle manages to get the cloaking spell working, THO could find a way to break in. Maybe they already have a way, always have, they just hadn’t used it before because PP didn’t want SB infiltrated until just the right time so he could get Henry.

I agree for sure that THO will be invading SB and part of S3 will be contending with them. Tamara’s grandmother being Dorothy would make sense t-word wise, but I won’t lie: my head refuses to let go of the idea of RH and Marian being family. Their appearance was just so short that I keep hoping there is more. Or maybe it’s just because ABC tried to really play up his appearance and really RH was on screen for maybe 5 mins.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I agree for sure that THO will be invading SB and part of S3 will be contending with them. Tamara’s grandmother being Dorothy would make sense t-word wise, but I won’t lie: my head refuses to let go of the idea of RH and Marian being family.

Oh I’m still on board with that possibility too. When I talk about Tamara’s grandma possibly being Dorothy, I’m thinking of it in an adoptive sense. Like everyone Tamara’s age who works for THO knows the boss as “grandma” because she’s the kind lady who believed their talk about magic and took them in and gave them a new “family” by recruiting them for the cult.

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