Pot Holes Questions

[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I agree for sure that THO will be invading SB and part of S3 will be contending with them. Tamara’s grandmother being Dorothy would make sense t-word wise, but I won’t lie: my head refuses to let go of the idea of RH and Marian being family.

Oh I’m still on board with that possibility too. When I talk about Tamara’s grandma possibly being Dorothy, I’m thinking of it in an adoptive sense. Like everyone Tamara’s age who works for THO knows the boss as “grandma” because she’s the kind lady who believed their talk about magic and took them in and gave them a new “family” by recruiting them for the cult.

I really like that because I think THO has been responsible for a lot of the “adoption” storylines: Tamara (possibly), Henry and even Emma. I think THO stepped in every time a nice family wanted to adopt Emma into a loving home, if they hadn’t she never would have met Neal and never had Henry. I think what Neal called “fate” is really THO playing a long con for PP.

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I really like that because I think THO has been responsible for a lot of the “adoption” storylines: Tamara (possibly), Henry and even Emma.

Don’t forget Owen, we dunno yet if he actually ended up with his uncle, or if he ended up in the foster system. And I also think THO had their hooks into August, who was in the system. Maybe Grandma’s cover is a job as a social worker who specialises in kids who babble about magic, and that’s how she’s able to track them down? By talking to August, and tracing his history in the system back, they could have found Emma and started tracking her, and making sure she remained without a permanent home.

[HappyEndings]

I doubt if they had anything to do with adoptions, if you look back Emma was stealing a car, her mother Snow was stealing money from a coach they both met their future mates there both where in jail after they meet their mates, so I don’t anyone had or was controling the adoption thing.

As for Henry’s name I read some where she named him Henry after someone she knew in the foster system died that she liked.

[PriceofMagic]

I don’t see the home office necessarily tracking August especially once he left the system. However, what if Emma demonstrated some sort of magical ability as a baby but lost the use of it when she was growing up. Her “finding” by August was in the newspaper which would make her quite a high profile child in care. She had a family until she was three but what if them having another child wasn’t the only reason why they gave her up. If Emma was demonstrating “magic” at three years old then her first family may have worried about it around their new baby especially as Emma could have resented the new baby hence Emma had to go. The HO could have kept track of Emma whilst she was in the system but lost her when she left the system. Emma’s arrest in Tallahassee for the watches may have been in the papers which could have brought her back to the HO’s attention.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Phee]

@HappyEndings wrote:

As for Henry’s name I read some where she named him Henry after someone she knew in the foster system died that she liked.

Emma didn’t name Henry, Regina named him after her father.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t see the home office necessarily tracking August especially once he left the system.

What got me on that train of thought was that Tamara oh so conveniently ended up in the same place on the other side of the world as August, and finding and following him is what ultimately led her to Nealfire, which ultimately got her access to SB, which got her access to Henry, who she’s now kidnapped for PP.

Tamara wouldn’t have achieved her goal without August playing his role, and all of her actions were just following orders from THO, so it stands to reason IMO that they sent her to Phuket (of all the places on Earth) specifically to meet up with August, because they knew he was there, because they’d kept tabs on him.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

She had a family until she was three but what if them having another child wasn’t the only reason why they gave her up. If Emma was demonstrating “magic” at three years old then her first family may have worried about it around their new baby especially as Emma could have resented the new baby hence Emma had to go.

That’s a pretty cool idea about Emma demonstrating magic as a kid!

[RumplesGirl]

@HappyEndings wrote:

I doubt if they had anything to do with adoptions, if you look back Emma was stealing a car, her mother Snow was stealing money from a coach they both met their future mates there both where in jail after they meet their mates, so I don’t anyone had or was controling the adoption thing.

Those are just parallels between Snow and Emma that remind the audience that even though she had no idea who she was, Emma was still very much like her mother. It has nothing to do with THO working on the sidelines to keep Emma from ending up in a happy home. She needed to be on her own her whole life so that she meets Neal and conceives Henry.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

She had a family until she was three but what if them having another child wasn’t the only reason why they gave her up. If Emma was demonstrating “magic” at three years old then her first family may have worried about it around their new baby especially as Emma could have resented the new baby hence Emma had to go. The HO could have kept track of Emma whilst she was in the system but lost her when she left the system. Emma’s arrest in Tallahassee for the watches may have been in the papers which could have brought her back to the HO’s attentio

That’s a cool idea. And at 3, Emma is hardly likely to be able to remember any of it.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[HappyEndings]

It still doesn’t make sense with anyone having that much control no one has that much power even Rumble or Cora didn’t, I not going with that one one it is a little far fetch in my opinion.

[RumplesGirl]

@HappyEndings wrote:

It still doesn’t make sense with anyone having that much control no one has that much power even Rumble or Cora didn’t, I not going with that one one it is a little far fetch in my opinion.

I think it’s a different kind of power. This isn’t magic, which is what Rumple and Cora wield. This is influence and money and back door dealings. That’s what magic looks like in our world, in other words. Rumple can cast spells and curses and wave his hand, but THO can’t do that. They resort to controlling and manipulating situations to suit their own needs (which is exactly what Cora and Rumple do) but they use money and influence instead. And remember, THO works for/is in league with PP who has a substantial amount of power and magic and control, so much so that Rumple is scared of him. I propose that PP is calling the shots, he has seen the future, he knows that he needs Henry, so he’s telling THO exactly what they need to do to ensure that. It’s a series of steps:
1) Make sure Rumple becomes the Dark One
2) Make sure the BF gets Nealfire away from Rumple
3) Get Nealfire to NL and hold him until after the Curse is cast
4) Make sure Rumple knows about the Curse and has the gift of site to see that he needs Regina
5) Make sure Emma is kept away from happy families and grows up alone in order to ensure that she meets Neal and gives birth to Henry.
6) Make sure Henry winds up in SB with Regina.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I don’t think PP has controlled and manipulated everything from Rumple being the Dark One to Henry ending up in Storybrooke. Not only does it make PP seem so bad that his actual defeat could be a letdown if the heroes defeat him quite easily but also there’s no sense of escalation for season 4 if PP is the baddest big bad of them all.

Also, and this is just IMO, PP didn’t seem to know where Henry was, in time or location. It seemed like he was just picking random boys from the world, taking them to Neverland and getting Felix and the others to hold up the picture of Henry and go “Is this the boy?” “No”,”Is this the boy?” “No”,”Is this the boy?” “No”. PP doesn’t seem to have a clue when Henry will come into existence, just that he is special for some reason. If PP was controlling everything, he wouldn’t have needed to steal boys until the early 2000s.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Josephine]

I’m confused on the whole Home Office thing. They’re an “anti-magic” organization that is probably ultimately headed by some boy sitting in a tree-house hideout in Neverland like an adolescent Dr. Evil, who instead of petting his cat has Tinkerbelle at his side. Why would an anti-magic league work in concert with a magic mastermind? If Wendy is behind the formation of THO after Bae was taken, why should her organization work for the same people she’s trying to fight?

Also, if time runs concurrently between worlds then Rumple and Bae’s initial story happened 300 years ago. That puts us in the early 1700s. That doesn’t fit with Bae being dumped in Victorian England, which was the latter part of the 1800s. It’s so confusing. 😕

I do wonder if all of our suppositions are way off. :geek:

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[Author]

Posts