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I think that the writers used to know how to write a cohesive story, but they just don’t anymore. I think they are so worried about the show ending that they are thinking what gimmick can we use to try to get people to watch, what new princess or new twist or new trick, that they have completely lost sight of the fact that a show needs to have a story. They haven’t written character arcs with beginnings, middles, and ends since 3A and the character arcs should be the story.
They introduced Aladdin, Jasmine, and Jafar and they had nothing to do with what was going on with the characters except for a couple scenes where Aladdin talked to Emma about her saviorness. Even the savior problems and Emma supposedly meeting the villain that will kill her never happened. The land of untold stories was nothing. The special sword that could destroy Emma’s nemesis was just broken and gone. The sheers were used in a side plot with Regina’s double, but they didn’t even do a character arc with that double This being the final battle where Emma goes against her true villain never happened; Rumpel just killed the black fairy and Gideon became a baby. Regina not being in Emma’s vision and what that might mean was not a thing. The vision itself being completely different then what happened in real life makes no sense.
Pretty much the beginning had nothing at all to do with the end and that has been happening for seasons, so i am not convinced that they can do it again. At least not til they take a break and step away and actually realize what they are doing wrong. It is like they are just too far in and can’t even see what the problem is and there is just no excuse for it.
It has gotten so bad that it is just inexcusable.
[adrotate group="5"]I think that the writers used to know how to write a cohesive story, but they just don’t anymore. I think they are so worried about the show ending that they are thinking what gimmick can we use to try to get people to watch, what new princess or new twist or new trick, that they have completely lost sight of the fact that a show needs to have a story. They haven’t written character arcs with beginnings, middles, and ends since 3A and the character arcs should be the story. They introduced Aladdin, Jasmine, and Jafar and they had nothing to do with what was going on with the characters except for a couple scenes where Aladdin talked to Emma about her saviorness. Even the savior problems and Emma supposedly meeting the villain that will kill her never happened. The land of untold stories was nothing. The special sword that could destroy Emma’s nemesis was just broken and gone. The sheers were used in a side plot with Regina’s double, but they didn’t even do a character arc with that double This being the final battle where Emma goes against her true villain never happened; Rumpel just killed the black fairy and Gideon became a baby. Regina not being in Emma’s vision and what that might mean was not a thing. The vision itself being completely different then what happened in real life makes no sense. Pretty much the beginning had nothing at all to do with the end and that has been happening for seasons, so i am not convinced that they can do it again. At least not til they take a break and step away and actually realize what they are doing wrong. It is like they are just too far in and can’t even see what the problem is and there is just no excuse for it. It has gotten so bad that it is just inexcusable.
And I would just counter by saying all those characters they introduced, like Aladdin and Jafar and Jasmine, were not the main players of the story. The story still had to revolve around the main characters whose stories had gotten stale. But, you take away those stale characters, establish new ones as major players who can do whatever they want without it affecting the old character’s prior and current story lines, and I think you could potentially have a cohesive compelling story again, just like Wonderland, where Jafar was basically the major player along with new characters like Alice and Cyrus and Will and Ana, all of whom they could mesh their stories with Jafar’s more seamlessly bc they were all new characters and were starting from scratch.
OUAT always prided itself on bringing in classic fairy tale characters and turning their story on it’s side to incorporate it into their show. But I actually think that after season 3a, this ended up being the show’s weakness. They actually became really bad at incorporating new characters into the show bc the old characters on the show had gotten so stale and the new characters were never given the spotlight to have the freedom to write a compelling story. Listen, season 7 could still suck, but I do think getting rid of characters like Snowing, Emma, Zelena, etc. can open the door for new characters that potentially won’t get bogged down by old character’s story lines.
And I would just counter by saying all those characters they introduced, like Aladdin and Jafar and Jasmine, were not the main players of the story. The story still had to revolve around the main characters whose stories had gotten stale. But, you take away those stale characters, establish new ones as major players who can do whatever they want without it affecting the old character’s prior and current story lines, and I think you could potentially have a cohesive compelling story again, just like Wonderland, where Jafar was basically the major player along with new characters like Alice and Cyrus and Will and Ana, all of whom they could mesh their stories with Jafar’s more seamlessly bc they were all new characters and were starting from scratch. OUAT always prided itself on bringing in classic fairy tale characters and turning their story on it’s side to incorporate it into their show. But I actually think that after season 3a, this ended up being the show’s weakness. They actually became really bad at incorporating new characters into the show bc the old characters on the show had gotten so stale and the new characters were never given the spotlight to have the freedom to write a compelling story. Listen, season 7 could still suck, but I do think getting rid of characters like Snowing, Emma, Zelena, etc. can open the door for new characters that potentially won’t get bogged down by old character’s story lines.
Aladdin, Jasmine, and Jafar had nothing to do with the story. That is the point. They wasted episodes upon episodes with characters and random things that created no character growth and no movement for the plot points. The main characters are not stale because they have been hanging around too long. It has only been six seasons. That is like nothing. The characters are boring because the writers of this show do not know how to write character. The writers don’t know what is interesting about characterization. They don’t know how to show the audience how people tick and use that to further the plot. They don’t know how to make a character feel like a real person. All of the good characterization that exists in this show began in Season 1 and they haven’t added a good character since then.
The problem also being that Regina and Hook, two of the characters that caused the most inconsistencies for the show, as well as Rumpel who has barely changed at all, are still on the show boring the audience with their lack of movement.
Wasn’t it said that Lucy’s mother is a fairytale character? So are they just going to insert another fairytale character and think that that is fascinating in and of itself and offer no depth and flaws and realism to the character like they have done time and time again for seasons upon seasons. Are they just going to make her a princess and the darkness that is attacking them and think that is interesting? Because it isn’t.
I agree that starting over could be interesting, but in my opinion, they are not starting over.
I am sitting here trying to think of what character points i want them to go into next season and because we know so little it is hard to figure out.
If Henry has his memories then why is he in Seattle? Why did he answer the door like that? Why does he seem to not believe? Did he purposefully turn his back on the magical world? Did too much bad happen and he needed to get a break from it? Why in the world would Henry leave his daughter after he grew up not knowing about his biological parents? Did Henry love Lucy’s mother? Where did they meet? How did they breakup? If Henry loved this woman then why didn’t they just be together? Why would Henry leave her or she leave Henry? Did Henry not know that Lucy ever existed? That still doesn’t explain why Henry would shut the door in the face of a girl who has just knocked and said she was his daughter just like he did to Emma as a child. That leads me to believe that Henry does not have his memories, though it is just as likely that Henry is just being played out of a character in this scene because the actor doesn’t know what happened on the show and the writers and directors are not very good. But maybe Henry does not have his memories which would be a very simplistic problem that would just be fixed deus ex machina and is therefore boring. That just leads to Henry has somehow been magically made to forget his life in Storybrooke and his daughter and is just there to be pulled into the story by Lucy and he will probably kiss her mother at some point and his memories will return aka that is boring.
This is the problem. I just don’t know. We don’t know enough about the next season. We know pretty much nothing. I am just not convinced. Either we have Henry making decisions that take him away from the magical world and Lucy and her mother and the second is just more magical nonsense causing havoc. We will see.
Also, the new character, Lucy’s mother, needs to be compelling and really has to fill the void that has been left by the loss of all the main female heroines on the show. Why did she leave Henry and keep Lucy from him? There needs to be reasons why she decided to do what she did.
I’m totally willing to give it a fair shot. As has been stated, we know basically nothing about what will happen. I honestly see this as a good thing! They have had problems in the last few years, I agree, but maybe they will surprise us and do a great story. Maybe they will get back to basics, as it were, and give us characters that are likable and compelling.
This is the problem. I just don’t know. We don’t know enough about the next season. We know pretty much nothing. I am just not convinced.
You aren’t convinced because you don’t know anything yet?
I’m totally willing to give it a fair shot. As has been stated, we know basically nothing about what will happen. I honestly see this as a good thing!
Exactly.
Aladdin, Jasmine, and Jafar had nothing to do with the story.
Not true. They were tied in to Emma’s savior story and her savior shakes. They brought on these new characters but incorporated them into Emma’s story. And what I’m saying is, Jafar worked in Wonderland bc his story was written at the same time as all the other characters bc they were all new. They didn’t have to tie Jafar’s plan into something that was already canon (Emma being the Savior). They came up with a motive for Jafar and then everything else fell in place. And in my opinion, that’s easier to do when all the other characters are new as well. Take Jasmine for instance. She came in to storybrooke. They wanted her to meet Snow White. How could they do it? Well, we knew Snow was a teacher so even though we never see her teaching, they showed her teaching and made Jasmine some sort of teacher’s helper or whatever. Her story was forced right from the start in order to mesh with already existing characters. And take Aladdin. He could have had his own unique story, but nope. He had to be tied to Emma’s Saviorhood to further Emma along in her journey as the Savior, to show the audience and her that these shakes have happened before and that she was destined to die. And ultimately, Aladdin led us to the shears of destiny which ultimately cut Aladdin’s Saviorhood off, cut the EQ’s path and led to Regina accepting herself, cut Blue Fairy’s magic off and helped forge the Hrunting sword that ultimately got Black Fairy to storybrooke, and then cut Rumple’s path from Saviorhood as well via Black Fairy. So yes, all these characters led to something that happened on the show. But again, it’s new characters story lines getting morphed to best serve the old characters on the show and to further the plot for them, instead of having the new ones be the star.
And you are right. The writers were unable to make those old characters interesting anymore and that’s on them. But perhaps they are better when the characters are all fresh. They proved when they have fresh new characters, the story is good. They proved it with season 1 and with Wonderland. That’s all I’m saying.
S1 worked so well because it was the beginning. They could get away with doing things because the story was just starting. Plus it helped that the flashbacks helped flesh out the present. All that angst in the present was balanced by the past. This is going to be S7, stories have been told and happy endings have been established. We will not be able to have that cushion that S1 had
Why on Earth would people want to see Rumple, Regina, and Hook cursed with new identities separated from their true loves, families, and happy endings? It could work in S1 but not in S7. That’s what has angered many people.
How will they explain how these three got separated from everyone else? How will they explain this in a way where they don’t destroy the last 6 seasons and take away the happy endings permanently?
ABC has moved this show to Friday, which means they don’t have faith in this vision. They’ve cut the budget completely and moved it to the death slot. They have ZERO faith, they just think it’s cheaper to have this show on the air then put money in a new show where it can bomb within one season.
Don’t make me laugh, these writers are not gonna change. How many times have we seen the same freaking storylines repeated over and over again with this show. Sure the writers think they’re smart because “parallels” but it’s not that anymore it’s just lazy freaking writing and if it has not changed in six years then it’s not gonna change in S7.
It’s unfortunate because S6 was had an amazing ending but now S7 is likely gonna end the show with a whimper and be very very rushed. I just hope they don’t keep Hook, Regina, and Rumple cursed for a long time, because audiences will not have the patience for that crap. A half season at most for everyone. I hope that Henry, Hook, Regina, and Rumple wake up from their curse within a couple of episodes and then spend majority of 7A breaking the curse on everyone.
But perhaps they are better when the characters are all fresh. They proved when they have fresh new characters, the story is good. They proved it with season 1 and with Wonderland. That’s all I’m saying.
I totally agree. That’s why I am not writing season 7 off, ESPECIALLY knowing next to nothing about it.
OMG we do know things.
We do know this happens 14 years in the future from where we left off.
We know that Hook, Regina, and Rumple are CURSED with new identities in a new city. Common sense will tell you right there that they’re separated from their true loves and families.
Why on Earth would people want to see a rehash of S1 IN S7!? Why would they want to see Hook, Regina, and Rumple stripped away of everyone they love, their true loves, and be cursed?
Why does any of this sound appealing? The only thing this sounds interesting for is the ER’s cause now they can see Regina get a TL.
Rumple and Hook already have that, so it’s cruel to have them separated from their true loves and families and who knows maybe Hook and Emma had children so that’s even worse for Hook. Who knows about Rumple, Belle, and Gideon and their family.
*sigh* Guys, I specifically made this thread to focus on the potential POSITIVES of Season 7. Can we please keep the negativity to a minimum? It defeats the purpose of this thread, and it’s going offtopic. I specifically stated this at the start of the thread:
We all have mixed feelings regarding Season 7, but I would like to take this thread to fully focus on just the potential positives. So let’s keep the “They’re losing too many cast members, it’s gonna be terrible”, “they’ll ruin all the happy endings” or “the ratings are going to crash” nonsense out of this. We’ve already had plenty of other threads to vent about that.
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