Promo Mash-Up for S2

[Slurpeez]

hjbau wrote: I really do not think that is Whale in either of these pictures. And these are from Ep 2. Maybe it is Regina’s father. Though it doesn’t look like her father at all to me. I think it is just a new character. Maybe he will get killed and Jefferson will get his hat.

The promo isn’t just for episode 2×2; it’s a mash-up of the first five episodes of S2. For example, the promo has scenes of Captain Hook (whom we know we won’t meet until episode 4) and of Lancelot (who first appears in episode 3). That’s why I think David Anders (Dr. Whale) is in the picture stills, taken from episode 5, which is when we finally discover his fairy-tale counterpart. IMO, the man on the left is Dr. Whale’s counterpart, because he has red hair, a doctor’s bag, and is seen with Sebastian Stan (Jefferson), who is also going to be episode 5 (guest star list has been confirmed). By the looks of it, the picture of Regina is also from episode 5, and she seems to be with Dr. Whale, who is wearing that long Victorian gentleman’s coat in the picture and carrying a doctor’s bag. We know from spoilers that Regina has a juicy history with Dr. Whale, and in the synopsis for 2×5, Regina will struggle to learn the “dark arts,” which I think includes trying to bring back Daniel to life. Also, given the bolt of lightening hitting the tent and what appears to be an experiment on a body, it’s 99.99% likely in my mind that Dr. Whale is Dr. Frankenstein.

[hjbau]

Well the Enchanted Forest has not been destroyed. Regina may not know that. She may have just been lying but knew that sending the wraith through to the Enchanted Forest would get rid of it and save her life. We don’t know what she really knows at this point.

[Killian Jones]

@Surayya wrote:

I probably didn’t word that very well…
To me it doesn’t add up that she wanted to go into the hat (be it to the past or not) to get magic in order to deal with Emma, IF she wasn’t sure she wasn’t now stepping into oblivion since she had already enacted the curse- for one how could the hat connect with something that no longer exists?
When she found out there wasn’t enough magic left to transport her via the Hat, Jefferson said he could pull something from it- but that wasn’t Regina’s original plan… she wanted to go INTO the Hat, she wouldn’t risk killing herself & losing Henry to Emma (so Emma & Snow winning) at that point.

I also suppose it depends on your interpretation- I took it to mean their entire world (not planet) was destroyed- so nothing would be there at all aside from maybe a black hole/oblivion (she destroyed that reality/universe), which would distort the fabric of time for instance, meaning it is no longer able to be accessed in any way shape or form- past, present or future (but then I’m a science geek & could be making it WAY to real lol).

Yeah when you start talking about space and time it can get a bit muddled but if your looking at it your way of destroying the EF and one point destroys the whole time line that makes sense. I just don’t think that’s what would happen or what she thought. The prior timeline would have to exist or else wouldn’t that erase all existence thereby erasing all who existed from that world? She figured she could return in time where that land still existed but she sent the wraith to a point in time where she figured the land didn’t exist any more again yeah it depends on your interpretation.

[Killian Jones]

@hjbau wrote:

Well the Enchanted Forest has not been destroyed. Regina may not know that. She may have just been lying but knew that sending the wraith through to the Enchanted Forest would get rid of it and save her life. We don’t know what she really knows at this point.

An alternative was that she knew something was left of the EF and Regina may have left part of it untouched to leave whatever she didn’t want to have pulled through? Rumple did imply in “A Land Without Magic” that she could choose what to bring to this world. So maybe she planned to send the wraith through and hope it marked someone else saving her?

[surayya]

Thanks daybreak_fairy – I knew she had wanted to go into the hat- I think maybe a few things possibly slipped under K&H noses 😕 otherwise we’ll soon find out- to me you cant connect to something if it no-longer exists.

Kind of like making a phone call- to make a call you need a phone (point A/ SB), away to get your signal (dial tone/ Yourself) to connect via Cables (Hat) to another phone (Point B/ FTL), so it will ring & be received. If you disconnect point B phone (FTL), your Point A phone’s (SB) Signal (person) wont connect & will be dropped.
So for the Hat to connect to FTL, FTL must exist, otherwise it has nothing to connect to.

Regina had already enacted the curse when she wanted to go back to FTL, so had disconnected FTL from SB- why would she want to use a dead signal that may leave her in limbo & let Emma & Snow win, unless she knew the Hat would indeed have something to connect to.

[Slurpeez]

^ All good points, regarding whether Regina knew FTL existed or not. Regina must’ve known something still existed, otherwise, as you pointed out, Surayya, otherwise the hat simply would’ve failed to connect. When she told Prince Charming and Snow White that FTL was gone, what she meant was that the land as they knew it was gone. I think she might have been exaggerating to dissuade them from even attempting to find a way back, in a last ditch effort to keep everyone unhappy about being in SB. Regina may have thought FTL remained, but only in a destructed and uninhabitable form. She may not know about the “safe haven” or the survivors. She may really not know if Emma and Snow are alive. Also, I think Regina’s conversation about Jefferson returning to his hovel in the Enchanted Forest, was just her way of mocking him. I doubt she was serious about being able to return there.

Speaking of Jefferson, based on the Canadian spoiler for 2×2, I’m really excited to find out how Jefferson knows for certain that Emma and Snow White were sent to the Enchanted Forest. Yet, why can’t he go there? And is he being entirely truthful about being unable to return? There is a left-over mystery that has been bugging me since 1×17 Hat Trick. When Jefferson fell out the window, did he fall into the hat that Emma made him and into the Enchanted Forest? He seemed to disappear, and it’d be fantastic if he now has another hat portal that works! Maybe he wants to keep this a secret.

Also, Rumpel surprised me in that promo. He asks Charming what happens when someone crosses the SB boarder and seemed dismayed by Charming’s reply that you lose your memories of your old life. Didn’t Rumpel know what would happen, and wasn’t he planning a trip? In 1×21 he said to Regina, “we all know what happens when you try to leave SB” but then didn’t say what actually happens. Was he bluffing or did he not know exactly and was testing Regina? I don’t know.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[hjbau]

I think it is quite certain that Rumpel did not know they would not be able to leave town. I think after Charming leaves his shop Rumpel is going to bust open that case in anger because he can’t leave town. I think Rumpel thought he would be able to and he was wrong.

[Killian Jones]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

^ All good points, regarding whether Regina knew FTL existed or not. Regina must’ve known something still existed, otherwise, as you pointed out, Surayya, otherwise the hat simply would’ve failed to connect. When she told Prince Charming and Snow White that FTL was gone, what she meant was that the land as they knew it was gone. I think she might have been exaggerating to dissuade them from even attempting to find a way back, in a last ditch effort to keep everyone unhappy about being in SB. Regina may have thought FTL remained, but only in a destructed and uninhabitable form. She may not know about the “safe haven” or the survivors. She may really not know if Emma and Snow are alive. Also, I think Regina’s conversation about Jefferson returning to his hovel in the Enchanted Forest, was just her way of mocking him. I doubt she was serious about being able to return there.

Speaking of Jefferson, based on the Canadian spoiler for 2×2, I’m really excited to find out how Jefferson knows for certain that Emma and Snow White were sent to the Enchanted Forest. Yet, why can’t he go there? And is he being entirely truthful about being unable to return? There is a left-over mystery that has been bugging me since 1×17 Hat Trick. When Jefferson fell out the window, did he fall into the hat that Emma made him and into the Enchanted Forest? He seemed to disappear, and it’d be fantastic if he now has another hat portal that works! Maybe he wants to keep this a secret.

Also, Rumpel surprised me in that promo. He asks Charming what happens when someone crosses the SB boarder and seemed dismayed by Charming’s reply that you lose your memories of your old life. Didn’t Rumpel know what would happen, and wasn’t he planning a trip? In 1×21 he said to Regina, “we all know what happens when you try to leave SB” but then didn’t say what actually happens. Was he bluffing or did he not know exactly and was testing Regina? I don’t know.

Regina may have been assuming that the hat was connected to nothing in this instance because she wanted to get rid of the wraith. From the new sneak peek we know Jefferson can’t return to fairy tale land because the hat was destroyed. That left open ending from Hat Trick is also on my mind so I hope we get a little more resolution to that. I was sure Emma’s hat worked, how he disappeared so quickly and of course that whoosh sound as the Hatter is falling. Maybe after the curse was broken the consequences for leaving changed? So the new consequence was unknown to Rumple…

[surayya]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

^ Regina must’ve known something still existed. When she told Prince Charming and Snow White that FTL was gone, what she meant was that the land as they knew it was gone. I think she might have been exaggerating to dissuade them from even attempting to find a way back, in a last ditch effort to keep everyone unhappy about being in SB. Regina may have thought FTL remained, but only in a destructed and uninhabitable form. She may not know about the “safe haven” or the survivors. She may really not know if Emma and Snow are alive. Also, I think Regina’s conversation about Jefferson returning to his hovel in the Enchanted Forest, was just her way of mocking him. I doubt she was serious about being able to return there.

Speaking of Jefferson, based on the Canadian spoiler for 2×2, I’m really excited to find out how Jefferson knows for certain that Emma and Snow White were sent to the Enchanted Forest. Yet, why can’t he go there? And is he being entirely truthful about being unable to return? There is a left-over mystery that has been bugging me since 1×17 Hat Trick. When Jefferson fell out the window, did he fall into the hat that Emma made him and into the Enchanted Forest? He seemed to disappear, and it’d be fantastic if he now has another hat portal that works! Maybe he wants to keep this a secret.

Also, Rumpel surprised me in that promo. He asks Charming what happens when someone crosses the SB boarder and seemed dismayed by Charming’s reply that you lose your memories of your old life. Didn’t Rumpel know what would happen, and wasn’t he planning a trip? In 1×21 he said to Regina, “we all know what happens when you try to leave SB” but then didn’t say what actually happens. Was he bluffing or did he not know exactly and was testing Regina? I don’t know.

Ok- I see what you are saying re- her not knowing if they’re alive or dead, I’d buy she knew it existed but didn’t know what condition it was in etc.

Lol, I was saying on another thread on here (I think) after watching Broken (or just before watching it), that since Emma & Snow end up in FTL, Charming & Regina will have a race to get Jefferson’s Hat 😉 I am wondering if the Hat will be kept in a ‘safe’ place & show up later, as I doubt it’ll be that easy to get Snow & Emma back & I’d rather they find away then be ‘rescued’ so easily/quickly 😉

Yeah, I don’t think Rumple thought about how magic (which shouldn’t exist in our world) would react when let loose on the one place it has been- I don’t actually think SB is ‘part’ of our world, more a superimposition ..wrong word maybe….distortion (or a combination of the 2), in which the magic that shouldn’t be here is contained, so anyone who tries to leave with magic (of any kind) has it striped from them so they don’t contaminate our world with ‘functioning’ magic- hence only having the FTL memories knocked out 😉
Rumple looks like he is going to be TICKED that that backfired- having his cake & eating to just didn’t work as he planed this time around.

[hjbau]

I sort of want Emma and Snow to get themselves back instead of someone going to get them.

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